Interesting note Shel.
I wonder if this holds for other cultures? (We read L to R)
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From: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: PAW/PESOs: Tofu at CMWC
A few months ago I was talking with a film maker, and she mentioned that
showing a subject moving fro
mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> From: Graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> At least Bob''s words are in the dictionary.
>>
>Mark is of Welsh extraction. You're looking in the wrong dictionary.
>
>8-
Vowels? We don't need no stinkin' vowels!
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Mark Roberts
Photography and writin
>
> From: Graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/07/12 Tue AM 12:22:20 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: PAW/PESOs: Tofu at CMWC
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> At least Bob''s words are in the dictionary.
>
> graywolf
Mark is of Welsh extraction.
On 11/7/05, Graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed:
>At least Bob''s words are in the dictionary.
And which dictionary would that be sir!
Cheers,
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On 12/7/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
>Whenever you have to write something big and probably boring at work it's a
>good idea to lace it with real words like 'boustrophedonically' around just
>so you can find out who's read that far. They're guaranteed to make some
>kind of remark about s
The way an ox ploughs a field.
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Cheers,
Bob
> -Original Message-
> From: E.R.N. Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 12 July 2005 02:37
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: PAW/PESOs: Tofu at CMWC
>
> Bob W wrote:
>
> >There are even
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:41:22 -0500, E.R.N. Reed wrote:
> So have we happened upon an example of Real World and Theory in Conflict?
What's the difference between theory and practice?
In theory there is none. In practice there is. :-)
TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
Cotty wrote:
On 11/7/05, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed:
For that matter, what about in Cotty-land, where they
drive on the wrong side of the street?
Oi!
They drive in that side in Japan, you know! And you buy their cameras.
... and, in many cases, their *cars*
Mark Roberts wrote:
That's really odd. It has been taught in film schools since at least the
1970s. I know it still is at the Rochester Institute of technology,
where film teachers I know are still working. This is filmmaking 101.
So have we happened upon an example of Real World and Theory
Bob W wrote:
There are even some scripts which are written boustrophedonically.
a WADDAT?
Graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>At least Bob''s words are in the dictionary.
Dictionaries are for wimps!
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Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com
At least Bob''s words are in the dictionary.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
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Mark Roberts wrote:
Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 11/7/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
There are even some scripts which ar
Actually I never hear of that left to right stuff. I have hear that if it
reverses direction it indicates returning, or in the case of two or more object
it indicates a pending confrontation. However, I have seen lots of major motion
pictures that violated those rules.
graywolf
http://www.gra
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From: "frank theriault"
Subject: Re: PAW/PESOs: Tofu at CMWC
Been to Toronto lately?
We think of Toronto as an eastern location.
William Robb
are even some scripts which are written boustrophedonically. Strange
as that may seem.
--
Cheers,
Bob
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From: Graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11 July 2005 20:22
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PAW/PESOs: Tofu at CMWC
But it doesn't. In m
Bob W wrote:
Whenever you have to write something big and probably boring at work it's a
good idea to lace it with real words like 'boustrophedonically' around just
so you can find out who's read that far. They're guaranteed to make some
kind of remark about such a word.
Or you could generate
s,
Bob
> -Original Message-
> From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11 July 2005 22:04
> To: pentax list
> Subject: Re: PAW/PESOs: Tofu at CMWC
>
> On 11/7/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >There are even some scripts which are w
On 7/11/05, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >On 11/7/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> >>There are even some scripts which are written boustrophedonically.
> >
> >Don't be compunctuous!
>
> Well that was an extremely tranpithic reply! If y
On 7/11/05, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Not sure about Hebrew, but Chinese is definitely not considered a western
> culture.
>
Been to Toronto lately?
Chinese just passed Italian as the second largest ethnic group after English.
cheers,
frank
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"Sharpness is a bourgeois co
Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 11/7/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>There are even some scripts which are written boustrophedonically.
>
>Don't be compunctuous!
Well that was an extremely tranpithic reply! If you don't start behaving
a little more amphemenuously, we have no choi
On 11/7/05, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:
>I'm not going to bite...
Too late!
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I'm not going to bite...
Cotty wrote:
On 11/7/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
What about it the southern hemisphere, where the water
swirls the wrong way in the toilet?
That's just an urban legend, I'm afraid :(
Okay, not the toilet, but how about the weather!
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
A few months ago I was talking with a film maker, and she mentioned that
showing a subject moving from left to right on the screen indicates
movement towards something, such as when a ship leaves a port and heads
out
to sea it will be shown on the screen as moving L to R.
On 11/7/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>That's really odd. It has been taught in film schools since at least the
>1970s. I know it still is at the Rochester Institute of technology,
>where film teachers I know are still working. This is filmmaking 101.
How can you 'teach' a shot?
On 11/7/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
>There are even some scripts which are written boustrophedonically.
Don't be compunctuous!
Cheers,
Cotty
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On 11/7/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>What about it the southern hemisphere, where the water
>>swirls the wrong way in the toilet?
>
>That's just an urban legend, I'm afraid :(
Okay, not the toilet, but how about the weather!
Which reminds me of a joke...
(cue Peter)
Cheer
On 11/7/05, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed:
>For that matter, what about in Cotty-land, where they
>drive on the wrong side of the street?
Oi!
They drive in that side in Japan, you know! And you buy their cameras.
Cheers,
Cotty
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From: "Graywolf"
Subject: Re: PAW/PESOs: Tofu at CMWC
But it doesn't. In many languages the convention differs. Hebrew I believe
is right to left. Chinese is bottom to top back and forth. I guess Cotty
would say we got our way from the Romans .
Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 11/7/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>A few months ago I was talking with a film maker, and she mentioned that
>>showing a subject moving from left to right on the screen indicates
>>movement towards something, such as when a ship leaves a po
There are even some scripts which are written boustrophedonically. Strange
as that may seem.
--
Cheers,
Bob
> -Original Message-
> From: Graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 11 July 2005 20:22
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: PAW/PESOs: Tofu at C
On 11/7/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:
>A few months ago I was talking with a film maker, and she mentioned that
>showing a subject moving from left to right on the screen indicates
>movement towards something, such as when a ship leaves a port and heads out
>to sea it will be sho
Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What if it's a film from Israel, where people read
>from right to left?
Exactly. In cultures that don't read left to right the conventions of
film panning and intra-frame motion don't work the way western film
directors and editors expect them to. Of course,
But it doesn't. In many languages the convention differs. Hebrew I believe is right
to left. Chinese is bottom to top back and forth. I guess Cotty would say we got our
way from the Romans .
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
What if it's a film from Israel, where people read
from right to left?
What about it the southern hemisphere, where the water
swirls the wrong way in the toilet?
For that matter, what about in Cotty-land, where they
drive on the wrong side of the street?
Inquiring minds want to know...
Rick
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Graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>> A few months ago I was talking with a film maker, and she mentioned that
>> showing a subject moving from left to right on the screen indicates
>> movement towards something, such as when a ship leaves a port and heads out
>> to sea it
It may possible be the way we read text. Left to right. At least
that's what I have been told by some art studies types. Consequently,
in cultures where they read/write right to left (or top to botton),
they would have reversed perception of this. There could be mention of
this in art theory books
Or it may be just that film producers have conditioned us that way?
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
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Shel Belinkoff wrote:
A few months ago I was talking with a film maker, and she mentioned that
showing a subject movin
A few months ago I was talking with a film maker, and she mentioned that
showing a subject moving from left to right on the screen indicates
movement towards something, such as when a ship leaves a port and heads out
to sea it will be shown on the screen as moving L to R. Right to Left
means that
# 2 cause he's going R to L. Seems like most bike rider shots have the rider
going from L to R.
Hey you asked.
Kenneth Waller
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From: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Jul 6, 2005 9:33 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: PAW/PESOs: Tofu
> Good stuff frank. Both do it for me.
>
> Glad you got past the recent problems you were having with overly sharp
> images. :)
>
> Powell
>
That gets a big TOPDML ...HAR
Dave
Good stuff frank. Both do it for me.
Glad you got past the recent problems you were having with overly sharp
images. :)
Powell
>So, here they are. I don't usually do two PAWs at once, but I really
>can't choose which I like the best. Here's Tofu in the Warehouses (of
>Jersey City):
>
>http:
Hi!
So, here they are. I don't usually do two PAWs at once, but I really
can't choose which I like the best. Here's Tofu in the Warehouses (of
Jersey City):
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3518501&size=lg
Here's Tofu Leans into the Corner:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?pho
Hi Frank.
Yes its always good to run onto old friends is'nt it.
Glad you had an enjoyable LONG weekend.:-)
Although i find both shot appealing, myfavorite is #1. I like the panned blur as
background. Nice lines
and accents the movement.
Also i like the feet how they are a bit blurred. Real
On 7/6/05, Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Frank,
>
> I like the first better. Mainly due to the concentration on his face.
> To me, the first is about Tofu and the second is about the bike
> race. Both good, but the first is my favorite.
Thanks, Bruce. You were the first to c
On 7/6/05, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I really like the first one. Given that it's a scan from a small minilab
> print, I expect it's even better than it appears. Looking forward to
> some more stuff.
It's also a "frank scan" of the small print. As you know, I don't
scan worth
On 7/7/05, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Not just leans but pedals, too! Brave man.
Well, with a trackbike, one has no choice but to pedal through the
corners. It's not so crazy as it looks, since the bottom bracket
is maybe an inch higher than a road bike, for clearance. Actua
>
> From: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3518501&size=lg
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3518514&size=lg
Not just leans but pedals, too! Brave man. I think I prefer the first, from
the way it appears on screen. Cleaner composition
Frank, definitely the first one for me. No distractions, right on point
and the panning works very well with the subject . Just my HO.
JayT
On 7/6/05, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3518501&size=lg
Here's Tofu Leans into the Corner:
h
Ditto for me, Frank. I like #1.
On 7/6/05, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is going to be longish, so if you don't like long
> stories/explanations, just click down to the url's and comment on the
> photo (or don't, if you don't want to, but then why'd you open the
> post if you
#1
Shel
> [Original Message]
> From: frank theriault
Here's Tofu in the Warehouses (of
> Jersey City):
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3518501&size=lg
>
> Here's Tofu Leans into the Corner:
>
> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3518514&size=lg
> If you have a pref
frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's Tofu in the Warehouses (of Jersey City):
>
>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3518501&size=lg
>
>Here's Tofu Leans into the Corner:
>
>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3518514&size=lg
I really like the first one. Given that
Hello Frank,
I like the first better. Mainly due to the concentration on his face.
To me, the first is about Tofu and the second is about the bike
race. Both good, but the first is my favorite.
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Best regards,
Bruce
Wednesday, July 6, 2005, 4:27:25 PM, you wrote:
ft> This is going to be lo
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