Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-24 Thread Ken Waller
I've had lots of experience with breaking technology. MARK ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9 Besides, I'm surprised cameras don't

Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread Boris Liberman
On 5/23/2010 1:57 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: No corporation that consistently cheats it's customers will survive. To do that you need a gun and the unrestricted will to use it. Otherwise customers will flee to another haven. Free markets are free, and the worst offenses happen in the markets that

Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread Igor Roshchin
Sun May 23 01:11:29 CDT 2010 Boris Liberman wrote: On 5/23/2010 1:57 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: No corporation that consistently cheats it's customers will survive. To do that you need a gun and the unrestricted will to use it. Otherwise customers will flee to another haven. Free markets are

Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-23 Thread P. J. Alling
Yes but you're describing stupidity and greed on the part of customers. In spite of that the law should be able to shut down the truly dishonest, yet it doesn't. On 5/23/2010 1:52 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Sun May 23 01:11:29 CDT 2010 Boris Liberman wrote: On 5/23/2010 1:57 AM, P. J.

Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-22 Thread eckinator
2010/5/22 Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com: The way people do business reflects their own perception of the way they are treated. If you think that companies will do anything they can to cheat you, they you will reply in kind.  This is especially true if they believe that big companies are

Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-22 Thread Steven Desjardins
Besides, I'm surprised cameras don't have that little dot that turns red when it gets wet. Cells phones all have them. I've immersed two. Oddly, the one I quickly recovered died whereas the one I actually put through a cycle of the washing machine dried out just fine. I've had lots of experience

Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-22 Thread Steven Desjardins
Stealing from big companies doesn't count either: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qEG9EnHnw0 ;-) On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Besides, I'm surprised cameras don't have that little dot that turns red when it gets wet.  Cells phones all have them.

Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-22 Thread John Sessoms
From: Steven Desjardins The way people do business reflects their own perception of the way they are treated. If you think that companies will do anything they can to cheat you, they you will reply in kind. This is especially true if they believe that big companies are in some fundamental way

Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-22 Thread P. J. Alling
On 5/22/2010 6:38 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Steven Desjardins The way people do business reflects their own perception of the way they are treated. If you think that companies will do anything they can to cheat you, they you will reply in kind. This is especially true if they believe that

Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-21 Thread eckinator
Bill can you explain this, please - I just don't seem to catch your reference? TIA Ecke How about the ones who buy two single device boxes, take the side plates off so as to make a two gang box and then bring the side plates back for a full refund? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-21 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: eckinator Subject: Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9 Bill can you explain this, please - I just don't seem to catch your reference? In North America, a device box is something that a wall mounted switch (a light switch for example) would

Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-21 Thread John Sessoms
From: eckinator Bill can you explain this, please - I just don't seem to catch your reference? TIA Ecke How about the ones who buy two single device boxes, take the side plates off so as to make a two gang box and then bring the side plates back for a full refund? Yeah, I'll second that.

Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-21 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9 I understand what the single gang boxes are and about doubling to make a two gang box (although why not just buy a two gang box?), but I don't understand how you get a refund

Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
and corporations. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:41 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: John Sessoms Subject: Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9 I understand what the single gang boxes are and about doubling to make a two gang box (although why

Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-21 Thread Keith Whaley
Steven Desjardins wrote: I can't help but notice that this thread about customer dishonesty began as a thread about Leica foisting an imperfect product on someone. It doesn't surprise me that we have drifted into whatever you can get away with since that attitude in part of as many transactions

Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-21 Thread eckinator
OK now I get it - TY Bill The benefits of cheap labor, I guess... Cheers Ecke 2010/5/21 William Robb war...@gmail.com: - Original Message - From: eckinator Subject: Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9 Bill can you explain this, please - I just don't seem to catch your

Re: Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
The way people do business reflects their own perception of the way they are treated. If you think that companies will do anything they can to cheat you, they you will reply in kind. This is especially true if they believe that big companies are in some fundamental way not a person and do not

Returning defective goods : was RE: Leica M9

2010-05-20 Thread John Coyle
I would normally always 'fess up to damage that I had caused, just as I will always return excess change where the cashier makes a mistake. Sometimes, however, the retailer/supplier has a generous policy which doesn't impose a penalty for doing so. Yesterday, I found that one of the keys on my