Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural, engineering question)

2012-10-25 Thread John Sessoms
From: John Francis On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 06:04:29AM +1100, Peter McIntosh wrote: FWIW, My father (god bless him) used to describe a hammer as an American screwdriver... :-) Ciao, Pete Mac in Melbourne - back to practicing my (poor) manual focus skills... The comparable UK expression I gre

Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)

2012-10-24 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2012-10-24 16:49, Larry Colen wrote: On Oct 24, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2012-10-24 16:28, Bob Sullivan wrote: If it doesn't fit, get a bigger hammer... If it doesn't fit, force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing, anyway. Doug doesn't need a torque wrench, he just

Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)

2012-10-24 Thread Larry Colen
On Oct 24, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: > On 2012-10-24 16:28, Bob Sullivan wrote: >> If it doesn't fit, get a bigger hammer... > > If it doesn't fit, force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing, anyway. Doug doesn't need a torque wrench, he just tightens it until it strips, then ba

Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)

2012-10-24 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2012-10-24 16:28, Bob Sullivan wrote: If it doesn't fit, get a bigger hammer... If it doesn't fit, force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing, anyway. -- Doug "Lefty" Franklin NutDriver Racing http://NutDriver.org Facebook "NutDriver Racing" Sponsored by Murphy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Ma

Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)

2012-10-24 Thread P. J. Alling
If it breaks it needed to be replaced anyway. On 10/24/2012 4:28 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: If it doesn't fit, get a bigger hammer... On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 3:23 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: You mean percussion adjustment tool... On 10/24/2012 1:41 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote: British Leyland fine

Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)

2012-10-24 Thread Bob Sullivan
If it doesn't fit, get a bigger hammer... On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 3:23 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > You mean percussion adjustment tool... > > > On 10/24/2012 1:41 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote: >> >> British Leyland fine adjustment tool BFH-042. >> >> John Francis wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 a

Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)

2012-10-24 Thread P. J. Alling
You mean percussion adjustment tool... On 10/24/2012 1:41 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote: British Leyland fine adjustment tool BFH-042. John Francis wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 06:04:29AM +1100, Peter McIntosh wrote: FWIW, My father (god bless him) used to describe a hammer as an American sc

Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)

2012-10-24 Thread lrc
British Leyland fine adjustment tool BFH-042. John Francis wrote: >On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 06:04:29AM +1100, Peter McIntosh wrote: >> >> FWIW, My father (god bless him) used to describe a hammer as an >> American screwdriver... :-) >> >> Ciao, >> >> Pete Mac in Melbourne - back to practicing

Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)

2012-10-24 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 06:04:29AM +1100, Peter McIntosh wrote: > > FWIW, My father (god bless him) used to describe a hammer as an > American screwdriver... :-) > > Ciao, > > Pete Mac in Melbourne - back to practicing my (poor) manual focus skills... The comparable UK expression I grew up with

Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)

2012-10-24 Thread P. J. Alling
Sounds like something Larry would say... On 10/24/2012 12:15 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: They say that flowers and duct tape fix everything. :-) Tue Oct 23 16:17:13 EDT 2012 Mark Roberts wrote: My solution is always duct tape and safety wire. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it

Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)

2012-10-24 Thread Steven Desjardins
I'm a chemist; use glue. On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > > > They say that flowers and duct tape fix everything. > :-) > > Tue Oct 23 16:17:13 EDT 2012 > Mark Roberts wrote: > >> My solution is always duct tape and safety wire. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >

Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)

2012-10-23 Thread Igor Roshchin
They say that flowers and duct tape fix everything. :-) Tue Oct 23 16:17:13 EDT 2012 Mark Roberts wrote: > My solution is always duct tape and safety wire. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visi

Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)

2012-10-23 Thread Mark Roberts
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Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)

2012-10-23 Thread Peter McIntosh
On 24 October 2012 02:09, Igor Roshchin wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM, William Robb wrote: > > > then use nails for the mechanical fasteners (nails are stronger than > > screws) > > What is stronger: a nail screwed with a screwdriver or a screw > hammered with a hammer? > Well, the

Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural, > engineering question)

2012-10-23 Thread William Robb
On 23/10/2012 10:19 AM, Don Guthrie wrote: The threads on a screw are only intended for removal. Remind me not to ask you to build anything for me -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML,

Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)

2012-10-23 Thread keith_w
Totally depends on the end use. How is the structure loaded? Would you put the fastener in shear or tension? Makes all the difference in the world, mechanically. In any case, a screw hammered in with a hammer is stupid. Works less efficiently then a nail would, and is pitiful in tension (pulling al

Re: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural, > engineering question)

2012-10-23 Thread Don Guthrie
The threads on a screw are only intended for removal. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 3 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 11:09:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Igor Roshchin To:PDML@pdml.net Subject: Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question) Message-ID

Totally OT - philosophical question (Was: Structural engineering question)

2012-10-23 Thread Igor Roshchin
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 9:30 AM, William Robb wrote: > then use nails for the mechanical fasteners (nails are stronger than > screws) What is stronger: a nail screwed with a screwdriver or a screw hammered with a hammer? Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mai