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>From: Knarf
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>Bipin, it was shit-stirring because your post, and the links in it,
Well Custer did wear an Arrow shirt!
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>From: ann sanfedele
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>Ya think? .. unless we can make it into a pun thread.. . the
> On Jul 5, 2015, at 10:28 PM, Bill wrote:
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> This doesn't mean I don't recognize that the society I live in does have some
> responsibility to try to make things right.
I feel no personal responsibility, though to be honest, if I’d been alive at
the time, given my background, I probably wou
> On Jul 6, 2015, at 1:31 AM, Alan C wrote:
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> In the end it all boils down to power, nationalism, greed & probably
> survival.
You are probably right about how it will work out, but in fact justice is a
possibility: from the present standpoint; arrived at through reflection and
consensus o
ense
of it all. In the end it all boils down to power, nationalism, greed &
probably survival.
Alan C
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From: John
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Subject: Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians
On 7/4/2015 3
On 05/07/2015 4:14 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
On Jul 5, 2015, at 4:49 PM, John wrote:
And don't forget that the Plains Indians had no horses until after
1520….
So what? Out of the culture they had and the horse, they developed a
beautiful culture. And then we slaughtered them. Literally
slaughter
On 05/07/2015 3:38 PM, Bob W wrote:
It's kind of ironic, I think, that if they'd saddled 'em up instead of
roasting them they might have been able to withstand the incoming Eurotrash
when we got there. What were they thinking?
M, Horse Burgers.
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> On Jul 5, 2015, at 4:49 PM, John wrote:
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> And don't forget that the Plains Indians had no horses until after 1520….
So what? Out of the culture they had and the horse, they developed a beautiful
culture. And then we slaughtered them. Literally slaughtered them.
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> And don't forget that the Plains Indians had no horses until after 1520,
> although there is a growing body of paleontological evidence that horses
> once roamed free in North America until the first "native Americans"
> crossing over
But we're not talking about the Normans, Moors or the Vikings. We're talking
about white European conquerors who invaded the Americas on behalf of their
imperial masters. Part of that invasion included the attempted genocide of
certain native groups. Others were imprisoned and culturally raped.
On 7/5/2015 4:53 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
On Jul 5, 2015, at 4:22 PM, John wrote:
On 7/4/2015 3:47 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
On Jul 4, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
wrote:
The UN can, of course, try to enforce its silly decisions, but
that would reveal it for what it really is -- a relic of
> On Jul 5, 2015, at 4:22 PM, John wrote:
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> On 7/4/2015 3:47 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
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>>> On Jul 4, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The UN can, of course, try to enforce its silly decisions, but
>>> that would reveal it for what it really is -- a relic of times gone
>>
On 7/5/2015 4:45 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote:
PS: We were in Cuba during the embargo, and I asked the Catholic
Priest if the natives looked like American Indians.
I was shocked when he told me there are none. The Spaniards
either killed them, or they died of diseases brought
from Spain.
Between the
Bill,
Your prejudice is showing.
Don't quote what a long dead US Senator said 42 years ago.
And don't quote Israeli politicians, they barely know what they think, or want.
They pander to our right wing, Christian extremists.
As an American Jew, I support Israel but don't agree with much of what the
On 7/4/2015 3:47 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
On Jul 4, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
wrote:
The UN can, of course, try to enforce its silly decisions, but
that would reveal it for what it really is -- a relic of times gone
by.
Yeah, off topic. Nevertheless, just to take this example, returni
I don't believe they said those things.
Sharon is going to admit that the anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists who propose
a Zionist plot to control the world are right?
1) It's not true (that Jews control the world),
2) Even if it were true they'd never admit it.
Cheers,
frank
On 5 July, 201
Replied off the list.
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Bill wrote:
> On 05/07/2015 9:17 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
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>> I am sorry, Frank, but you got it all wrong. And Bill is quite just as
>> wrong. However indeed, this does not belong in the public photography
>> related list.
>
>
> You are rig
On 05/07/2015 9:17 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
I am sorry, Frank, but you got it all wrong. And Bill is quite just as
wrong. However indeed, this does not belong in the public photography
related list.
You are right this doesn't belong on a photo forum, but I don't really
think I am wrong on thi
Which would explain it. So the early explorer who named the place was
an Ancient Greek, maybe even Alexander.
On 7/5/2015 11:55 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
It's been called India since the time of the ancient Greeks.
B
On 5 Jul 2015, at 16:51, P.J. Alling wrote:
One small point, I don't think i
It's been called India since the time of the ancient Greeks.
B
> On 5 Jul 2015, at 16:51, P.J. Alling wrote:
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> One small point, I don't think it was the British who named the whole place
> India, it was the Portuguese Spanish or Italians, (I'm a bit hazy on that, I
> could look it up I supp
One small point, I don't think it was the British who named the whole
place India, it was the Portuguese Spanish or Italians, (I'm a bit hazy
on that, I could look it up I suppose), some early explorer wanted to
know what the land was called and some local gave the name for local
area that soun
I agree that it doesn't belong here. OTOH you replied...
So when protesters dress in racist garb, looking like charicatures of North
American First Nations people and say things like: " When the white man came to
the US, he didn't ask the Indians where to build and to live. Another country
will
I am sorry, Frank, but you got it all wrong. And Bill is quite just as
wrong. However indeed, this does not belong in the public photography
related list.
Boris
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On 5 July 2015 17:33:58 Knarf wrote:
I understand exactly what the settl
Thanks for the clarification, Frank. Greatly appreciated. There is something on
which we here in the US could profitably reflect—the injustice we have
inflicted on Native American peoples. That, and what justice might amount to in
present circumstances.
> On Jul 4, 2015, at 11:55 PM, Knarf wro
Thanks again, Frank.
> On Jul 5, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Knarf wrote:
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> It's interesting that the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of
> Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP) was declared almost unanimously by the UN. Only
> four countries voted against it.
>
> Care to guess who?
>
> Canada, the U
I understand exactly what the settler-protesters were saying:
"You white Americans went in and stole native lands and basically commited
genocide on indigenous peoples. And now you're telling us how to deal with our
land claim and our inconvenient, unwanted minority of natives - who were here
f
It's interesting that the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of
Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP) was declared almost unanimously by the UN. Only
four countries voted against it.
Care to guess who?
Canada, the USA, Australia and New Zealand. All former British colonies. All
now controlled by a
On 05/07/2015 7:22 AM, Knarf wrote:
And I have no idea what a bunch of West Bank Jewish settlers protesting in
Israel have to do with US policy.
Israel is the tail that wags the American dog. That might have something
to do with it.
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Bipin, it was shit-stirring because your post, and the links in it, were filled
with strawman arguments.
The claims you made were at best inflated, at worst fabricated. Not by you but
by the "news sources" you cited.
I've already answered the first link by going directly to James Ayala's site.
Dear Larry, I have already posted an addendum explaining why I put
this up to the Photographic Community.
As a Software Engineer, an educated person and an intellectual, that
you are, I am surprised at your use of derogatory language.
I too have been a Dy. Manager Systems and a Change Manager, Wor
I am truly sorry for forgetting to explain the back ground for
releasing this bit of news to the Photographic community.
There were no other intentions than to mention the following:-
a) In Canada I had no objections to photographing the Native Indians
either in their Reserves or in Cities were som
Well said, Frank.
I'm not even sure why Bipin posted this now. Apart from being wildly
off topic (nothing wrong with that but we try to avoid politics,
religion etc - see the FAQ - and the post should have been labelled
O.T.), the entire issue dates from 2010-2012.
President Obama's announcement
Okay. The UN never said anything about returning the US to First Nations. Never.
James Alaya is a Special Rapporteur to the UN. He's not the UN. And he never
said anything about returning Manhattan to natives, either. He spoke of some
very specific disputed lands, to wit:
JAMES ANAYA: "I’m not
> On Jul 4, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
> The Europeans were invaders -- or immigrants-- depending on one's
> perspective. In some instances they were tolerated and perhaps even welcomed.
> In other places they were slaughtered. It's not as simple as the PC community
> would hav
Actually, Joe has been around here for a long time.
stan
> On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
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> Then you haven't been on this list
> long.
> J
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>> On Jul 4, 2015, at 10:41 AM, jtainter wrote:
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>> I thought this list was about Pentax photography.
>>
4, 2015 1:20:24 PM
Subject: Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians
The Europeans were invaders -- or immigrants-- depending on one's perspective.
In some instances they were tolerated and perhaps even welcomed. In other
places they were slaughtered. It's not
Have you read the Smithsonian Magazine recently?
On 7/4/2015 4:20 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
Bipin Gupta wrote:
UN wants the US to return Native American lands. Read on here:
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/06/un-wants-the-us-to-return-native-american-lands/
Take a look at the main page o
The Europeans were invaders -- or immigrants-- depending on one's perspective.
In some instances they were tolerated and perhaps even welcomed. In other
places they were slaughtered. It's not as simple as the PC community would have
us believe. In any case, the more we can do for native American
Bipin Gupta wrote:
UN wants the US to return Native American lands. Read on here:
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/06/un-wants-the-us-to-return-native-american-lands/
Take a look at the main page of that site with other such stellar items
of journalism as "Throw away your smartphones. W
Then you haven't been on this list
long.
J
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> On Jul 4, 2015, at 10:41 AM, jtainter wrote:
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> I thought this list was about Pentax photography.
>
> Joe
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> On Jul 4, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
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> The UN can, of course, try to enforce its silly decisions, but that
> would reveal it for what it really is -- a relic of times gone by.
Yeah, off topic. Nevertheless, just to take this example, returning the lands
claimed, even after
We should all just go back to Africa really and live in the Danakil Depression
where we came from. Pretend this whole human expansion thing never happened.
B
> On 4 Jul 2015, at 18:36, Bipin Gupta wrote:
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> UN wants the US to return Native American lands. Read on here:
>
> http://hotair.com/
On 04/07/2015 12:29 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
It will probably hit with a thud.
better than being hit with a scud.
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On 4 July, 2015 2:17:51 PM EDT, Bill wrote:
>On 04/07/2015 12:11 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
>> Most don't even bother with that much justification.
>>
>>
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>We should probably let this drop.
>
>bill
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On 04/07/2015 12:26 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
Ya think? .. unless we can make it into a pun thread.. . then it would
still be "on topic" :-)
I suppose in this case it would be Indian Giving?
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It will probably hit with a thud.
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> On Jul 4, 2015, at 2:26 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
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> Ya think? .. unless we can make it into a pun thread.. . then it would still
> be "on topic" :-)
>
> ann
>
>> On 7/4/2015 2:17 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> On 04/07/2015 12:11 PM, P.J. Alling wrote
Ya think? .. unless we can make it into a pun thread.. . then it would
still be "on topic" :-)
ann
On 7/4/2015 2:17 PM, Bill wrote:
On 04/07/2015 12:11 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
Most don't even bother with that much justification.
We should probably let this drop.
bill
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On 04/07/2015 12:11 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
Most don't even bother with that much justification.
We should probably let this drop.
bill
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Most don't even bother with that much justification.
On 7/4/2015 2:10 PM, Bill wrote:
On 04/07/2015 11:41 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
The UN can, of course, try to enforce its silly decisions, but that
would reveal it for what it really is -- a relic of times gone by.
I'm always amused by th
On 04/07/2015 11:41 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
The UN can, of course, try to enforce its silly decisions, but that
would reveal it for what it really is -- a relic of times gone by.
I'm always amused by the Americans tendency to call the UN a relic until
they want to use international law as
I thought this list was about Pentax photography.
Joe
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The UN can, of course, try to enforce its silly decisions, but that
would reveal it for what it really is -- a relic of times gone by.
Dan Matyola
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On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote:
> UN wants the US to return Native American land
UN wants the US to return Native American lands. Read on here:
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/06/un-wants-the-us-to-return-native-american-lands/
The Sand Hill Indian Tribe located in New Jersey filed a lawsuit
“claiming Manhattan, as well as the Hudson Areas, and the states of
NJ, Delaware a
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