On 10/8/2013 8:47 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
Thanks Boris. There's a lot to the subject, on both sides of
the camera. It's a tough subject to write about without sounding
like I showed up and did something without being asked, and now
you owe me. On the other hand, there are a lot of people who
Do journalists actually use the inverted pyramid these days? I don't
even thing most know what a pyramid is.
On 10/7/2013 2:42 PM, Bob W wrote:
The inverted pyramid is the writer's friend as far as this sort of thing is
concerned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_pyramid
On 7 Oct
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 12:05:05PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:
Do journalists actually use the inverted pyramid these days? I
don't even thing most know what a pyramid is.
I don't think most people know what a journalist is.
On 10/7/2013 2:42 PM, Bob W wrote:
The inverted pyramid is the
FWIW, I read through the entire thing without a problem. Though,
admittedly, I am a pretty wordy writer.
Still, it just doesn't strike me as all that out-of-place to muse at
some length on-topic in the context of a discussion list, or even on
Facebook for that matter, since they truncate
On 8 Oct 2013, at 19:04, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
FWIW, I read through the entire thing without a problem. Though, admittedly,
I am a pretty wordy writer.
Still, it just doesn't strike me as all that out-of-place to muse at some
length on-topic in the context of a discussion list,
On 10/8/2013 1:13 PM, Bob W wrote:
On 8 Oct 2013, at 19:04, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
FWIW, I read through the entire thing without a problem. Though, admittedly, I
am a pretty wordy writer.
Still, it just doesn't strike me as all that out-of-place to muse at some
length on-topic in the
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 07:13:07PM +0100, Bob W wrote:
On 8 Oct 2013, at 19:04, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
FWIW, I read through the entire thing without a problem. Though,
admittedly, I am a pretty wordy writer.
Still, it just doesn't strike me as all that out-of-place to muse at
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 01:27:47PM -0500, Walt wrote:
One of the lamentable consequences of the tl;dr trend is that
three minutes of reading is now considered a colossal brain dump.
On the bright side, it's been many years since anyone as said
that I have a colossal brain.
--
Larry Colen
I should say that Bob does have a point and that it dovetails somewhat
with your theme. Editing is a great example of the invisible effort
you're talking about, and consumers don't generally give any thought to
it until it doesn't happen.
It's just that I happen to think people are entitled
Walt,
One of my favorite documents is Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address.
He spoke at the dedication of the Gettysburg cemetery, a great
battlefield of our civil war.
He spoke to the assembled multitude,
after famous orators of the time spent several hours speaking to the crowd.
His address is
Is it really too much to ask to have a meaningful Subject and a
statement of purpose? Something to say why I should be interested? I
am willing to forgive an essay written in some haste for its wordiness
and actually read the thing ... _IF_ I know what it's about.
This one came across to me just
I was going to say something about brains taking a dump but sometimes
the low hanging slow ball just isn't enough of a challenge.
On 10/8/2013 2:34 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 01:27:47PM -0500, Walt wrote:
One of the lamentable consequences of the tl;dr trend is that
three
Everything you said is true, but it's not like it cost anyone any money.
In my experience, I can determine whether or not I want to read
something and decide whether or not to do so in a shorter period of time
than it takes to write the response informing the writer in question
whether or not
True enough. All I'm saying is that falling short of the Lincolnian
standard is a near-universal trait among writers and orators. And,
thankfully, most people don't deem it necessary to point it out.
-- Walt
On 10/8/2013 2:10 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Walt,
One of my favorite documents is
Sure, Walt, and like everyone at one time or another, I do that too.
And if the article was from someone who only or usually writes dull
drivel, I'd spend little time before silently moving on.
But Larry writes worthwhile stuff -- often hilarious -- and I had high
hopes. So to discover that I'm
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 04:44:17PM -0400, Bruce Walker wrote:
Sure, Walt, and like everyone at one time or another, I do that too.
And if the article was from someone who only or usually writes dull
drivel, I'd spend little time before silently moving on.
But Larry writes worthwhile stuff --
On 10/7/13 3:56 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
This is somethingt that has been brewing in my mind for a while. I didn't
have time to do more than just spew it out, without editing. And it
was a real challlenge trying to phrase it as there are people out there
doing a lot more work than you realize,
A clear writer doesn't make his reader work too hard to get his/her point.
Especially since not all readers have the same skill set, i.e. some read
quickly/some read slowly/and everywhere in between.
And good writing is clear writing. Clarity reveals ideas; too much
wordiness and rambling
This is somethingt that has been brewing in my mind for a while. I didn't
have time to do more than just spew it out, without editing. And it
was a real challlenge trying to phrase it as there are people out there
doing a lot more work than you realize, and not come across as I do
all this
Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of text -
why should anyone want to read it?
Whatever it is you want to say, say it in less than 7 short sentences.
B
On 7 Oct 2013, at 08:56, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
This is somethingt that has been brewing
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of text
- why should anyone want to read it?
Sorry Bob, I've already read it before your post showed up:) I guess
I'm used to reading long texts.
Since I'm
http://www.achangeinthewind.com/2010/09/war-and-peace-in-53-words-.html
It is approximately 7.5 words per sentence...
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of text
- why should anyone want to
I think I will refer to this the next time someone ask me why I don't take
pictures at some event :-)
DagT
Sendt fra min iPad
Den 7. okt. 2013 kl. 09:56 skrev Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:
This is somethingt that has been brewing in my mind for a while. I didn't
have time to do more
tl;dr
It's missing an intro. There's no clear reason why it would be
fruitful to climb that mountain of text. I got three paras in and gave
up.
Simply leaving a blank line between para's would also help, a bit.
Tell 'em what your're going to say.
Say it.
Summarize what you said.
On Mon, Oct
Bruce, I believe Larry copied-and-pasted a post from his Facebook.
Therein I suppose lies the rest of the context. I should be able to
read his message properly when I am on my way home in the train today.
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
tl;dr
It's
Actually, Bob, you'd be surprised how many people on FB WILL read it. For
one thing, it will be formatted, not a plain text dump as it is here.
People do occasionally post longer posts on Facebook. But it is totally a
if-they-are-in-the-mood thing, whether one's friends will read it or not.
The inverted pyramid is the writer's friend as far as this sort of thing is
concerned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_pyramid
On 7 Oct 2013, at 10:25, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
tl;dr
It's missing an intro. There's no clear reason why it would be
fruitful to climb
Bob, here's a counter technique that would've worked, if used:
So when you start with that agenda slide (tell ‘em what you’re going
to say) their attentions immediately wander, they pick up their
phones, and you’ve lost ‘em.
Instead, launch right in with a framing story or an idea that will
grab
Indeed. The point is - anything but the Larrathon...
Sorry, Larry!
B
On 7 Oct 2013, at 20:09, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Bob, here's a counter technique that would've worked, if used:
So when you start with that agenda slide (tell ‘em what you’re going
to say) their
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Instead, launch right in with a framing story or an idea that will
grab their attention
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_medias_res
I've been using this a lot in high school without the tell them why
they’re there part
On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 08:19:11PM +0100, Bob W wrote:
Indeed. The point is - anything but the Larrathon...
Sorry, Larry!
Like I said, I started it way too late at night, I thought it was
going to be a couple of paragraphs. I posted it on facebook to
start a conversation about
On 07/10/2013 1:29 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 08:19:11PM +0100, Bob W wrote:
Indeed. The point is - anything but the Larrathon...
Sorry, Larry!
Like I said, I started it way too late at night, I thought it was
going to be a couple of paragraphs. I posted it on facebook
So... as a parent who does shoot a fair amount of photos of kids at
games, recitals, etc., I think I understand what you are driving at.
I do not want to be in the position of feeling taken advantage of, or
taken for granted as the community photographer. Especially since,
I am a photographer in
On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
Like I said, I started it way too late at night, I thought it was
going to be a couple of paragraphs. I posted it on facebook to
start a conversation about appreciating the work that goes into
being the unofficial community
Like!
M aka D ;-)
In a message dated 10/7/2013 3:27:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
eew...@bellsouth.net writes:
I agree: Less is more. For real. Especially on Facebook. [If you're into
Facebook.]
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On 10/7/2013 10:56 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
And, if you actually run events, and appreciate having good photos of
the event so people can see how much fun it is, think about ways to
make the people who put the effort in to take those photos feel
appreciated.
I reckon if I had FB acct, I would
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 07:09:53AM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote:
On 10/7/2013 10:56 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
And, if you actually run events, and appreciate having good photos of
the event so people can see how much fun it is, think about ways to
make the people who put the effort in to take
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