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pentax-discuss-d Digest Volume 05 : Issue 1631

Today's Topics:
GESO: A story about Barber Shop and [ Michael Spivak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: FishEye for digital (was: A15mm/ [ Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: GESO: A story about Barber Shop [ Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: Re[2]: OT: Linux/WINE [ "Doug Franklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
 Re: Back! (for a while)               [ Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: Yet even still more photos: Gran [ Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London B [ "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombi [ "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: FishEye for digital (was: A15mm/ [ "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
 Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombi  [ Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
 Re: London Bombing update             [ Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
 Re: London Bombing update             [ Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: Re: Back! (for a while) [ mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS [ "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: Blue Dragon [ "Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: PESO - Mittens at Dusk [ "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Philly PDML Report and Gallery [ Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
 Re: PESO - Mittens at Dusk            [ Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
 Re: PESO - Mittens at Dusk            [ Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: Why an istDs? [ "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: Back! (for a while) [ Tom Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: Re: London Bombing update [ mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: GESO: A story about Barber Shop [ Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: Re: Back! (for a while) [ mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: Philly PDML Report and Gallery [ Tom Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] Re: Kodak HIE advice please? [ "Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Re: Why an istDs? [ "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]

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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:49:29 +0200
From: Michael Spivak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I know i don't comment much.. but i REALLY watch all the photos in the list :)
Here is a little story i've try to tell about 1 small barber shop that
my wife likes...
http://mishka.site.co.il/gallery/BarberShop


Comments or critique are welcome !!!

PS: please try to look at it as a story and not as "each photo by it's own"

Michael

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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:54:18 -0400
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Bertil Holmberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Would you buy a A15mm/3.5 for a *istDS? I mean, at 22mm practical
focal length it would be a bit waisted.

How does a fisheye of similar length perform comparison wise? I have
no experience of that kind of lens at all.

Is the 16/17mm fisheye at all useful with the *istDS?

I find the 15mm f/3.5 very useful on the ist-D. True, it works like a
22mm would on a full-frame (film) SLR, but that's a useful focal length
for me :)

I've also tried the Zenitar 16mm fisheye. It is also very useful on the
ist-D. Very wide angle of view and the fisheye distortion can be
corrected in Photoshop if you want. It's not as sharp as a Pentax lens
and exhibits really bad flare, but it's a bargain for the price.

--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:58:00 -0400
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Ok, I tried to look at it as a story.  They're all wonderful, but I
still like number 5 the best.  The overall feel and the composition of
the last photo really appeals to me.  I like the slight tilt, too.
Thanks for sharing.  Good work.

On 7/13/05, Michael Spivak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I know i don't comment much.. but i REALLY watch all the photos in the list :)
Here is a little story i've try to tell about 1 small barber shop that
my wife likes...
http://mishka.site.co.il/gallery/BarberShop


Comments or critique are welcome !!!

PS: please try to look at it as a story and not as "each photo by it's own"

Michael




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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:13:24 -0400
From: "Doug Franklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax-discuss@pdml.net" <pentax-discuss@pdml.net>
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Hi Attila,

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:00:06 +0300, Boros Attila wrote:

If this happens only with SOCK_STREAM sockets, then maybe your app
has data pending to be sent when it calls closesocket(). [...]

Possible.  Unlikely but possible.  Thanks for the tip.  That's
definitly something I'll check into.  But the problem isn't getting our
app to shut down.  It gets its data out and shuts down OK.  Then the
wineserver process (we think) hold onto the fd that proxies the socket
handle and doesn't release it for several minutes.


TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:13:14 +0200
From: Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Very good. We'll fix the details (as wine brand choice :)

mw> Jabol 8-))))

;-)) Uwaga, picie Jabolu to zagrozenie zycia! My

Jaky byl teraz Festiwal Teatrów Ulicznych w Krakowie? To ja widzialem
kilko teatru w Poznani na Malte, fajna impreza. Do zobaczenia w Polsce
czi Prage!

Frantisek

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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:17:03 -0400
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Fabulous Ken. I haven't had time to look at all of them yet, but a
first glimpse just blew me away. Outstanding work. Congratulations.
More later.
Paul
On Jul 13, 2005, at 7:47 AM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

Mark, a really nice/great selection of shots.
Good work.
Thanks for sharing.

Kenneth Waller

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Subject: Yet even still more photos: Grandfather Mountain now

http://www.robertstech.com/temp/gfm2005.htm

Do let me know if you find anything missing or not working properly. I
haven't had time to go through it very thoroughly yet :)

Be there next year!

--
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:22:35 -0600
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----- Original Message ----- From: "mike wilson"
Subject: Re: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update




From: Graywolf
Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

I want to hear you say that after they have killed some of your family
and friends just because they happened to be where ever they were at the
time.

> > I don't.


Too late.

William Robb

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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:32:31 -0600
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Stenquist"
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I don't think it's Tom who doesn't have a clue. I only have to look at
where this comes from. A country that bears no responsibility for what
happens in the word. A country that is for all practical purposes a
protectorate of the United States. A country that regularly disparages the
very nation they depend on for defense and almost everything else.  It's
easy to look down from the ivory tower when you have no burden to bear.

Well, fuckface, my country's existence depends on not ever having enough
military to make our neighbors to the south pay attention to us.
We've seen what you do to countries that you consider a threat.

William Robb

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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:29:54 -0600
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Bertil Holmberg"
Subject: FishEye for digital (was: A15mm/3.5...)


Would you buy a A15mm/3.5 for a *istDS? I mean, at 22mm practical  focal
length it would be a bit waisted.

I did.
OTOH, I wanted a full frame lens for film work.
If all you are going to mount it on is a digital, the DA14mm is the cheaper
choice.

BTW, it is a practivccal 15mm lens, no matter what format it is mounted on.
Or, it's a 15mm lens on the istD, but a 12mm lens on 35mm.

William Robb

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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:50:05 +0100
From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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BOYS!!!!

Lets try and keep the peace around here.

Cory, three Hail Mary's and an Our Father for you.

This is the PDML, not the OTAML.

I feel responsible because I posted an update on the London angle -
please find your favourite news page for further updates.

So that's a cat'o'nine tails for me.

Please.



Cheers,
 Cotty


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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:56:26 +0100
From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 12/7/05, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:

Help me out here.  If they bombers were being tracked, why weren't they
stopped before they blew up the trains and the bus?

Apologies - they were tracked after the fact. Their movements were
pinpointed in the reverse order.




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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 13:59:40 +0100
From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 13/7/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

Cotty means they were tracked after the event. Before the event they weren't
bombers, and weren't known to the authorities.

I have some more info. *Warning* grim details follow.

It appears that at least one bomber had personal details about his person
in the form of an address! The bomber on the bus was decapitated in the
explosion, and police literally found his head in the street. He was
identified from his face, and turns out he was known to the police
(exactly in what way remains to be seen).




Cheers,
 Cotty


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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:00:49 +0000
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From: Frantisek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2005/07/13 Wed PM 12:13:14 GMT
To: mike wilson <pentax-discuss@pdml.net>
Subject: Re: Back! (for a while)

>> Very good. We'll fix the details (as wine brand choice :)

mw> Jabol 8-))))

;-)) Uwaga, picie Jabolu to zagrozenie zycia! My

Jaky byl teraz Festiwal Teatrów Ulicznych w Krakowie? To ja widzialem
kilko teatru w Poznani na Malte, fajna impreza. Do zobaczenia w Polsce
czi Prage!

Are you asking me or Tomasz?



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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:06:08 -0400
From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I don't want to get involved in this argument can you guys please take
it off list.

William Robb wrote:


----- Original Message ----- From: "D. Glenn Arthur Jr."
Subject: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update




A soldier attacks the enemy and the enemy's resources in an attempt
to destroy said enemy or force him to withdraw.  Violence is directed
at accomplishing a goal.


We like to dress our people up in uniforms, give them virtually
unstoppable killing force and nearly impenetrable defensive force, and
say here is your enemy, attack this if you dare.

Softer targets make for more effective targets.



Bombing a city to remove its production from the enemy's supply
chain and to cripple the enemy's economy is ... well, morally
questionable at best, and definitely _ugly_, but at least
recognized as a part of war.


Ask the citizens of Baghdad, the ones who weren't collateral damage
anyway, and ask them if they think a shock and awe strategy is
legitimate or terrorism.

William Robb




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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:04:07 -0400
From: "Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Nice shot, Paul - the algae really does make for a good background, and
works good with the colors in the dragon.

- MCC
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:46 PM
Subject: PESO: Blue Dragon


I was walking in a wooded area this afternoon hoping to shoot some birds
when I came upon a creek covered with bright green algae. A number of
dragon flies were flitting back and forth among some reeds in the creek.
They were way too distant for a macro lens, and I had brought only my
*istD, A400/5.6 and an A2X converter along on the walk. I also had the
Sigma 500 Super mounted with the magnifier lens. I stuck the converter on
the back of the lens and took some shots at 5.6, 1/1000, ISO 800 with high
speed synch activated. I came away with some nice pics of red, green, and
blue dragon flies. Here's the blue guy on a reed. The algae makes a great
background. This is almost full frame with just a bit cropped off the ends
of the frame.
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3526907&size=lg
Paul


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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:07:17 -0400
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It's not a cleche it's iconic.

Bruce Dayton wrote:

I admit that this shot is a bit cliche, but it is beautiful scenery,
nonetheless.  Taken on my recent Southern Utah trip.

Pentax *istD, A 28-135/4, handheld
ISO 800, 1/90 sec @ f/6.7
Converted from Raw using Capture One LE

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/monumentvalley_0464.htm

Comments welcome.





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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:05:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Philly PDML Report and Gallery
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Amita and Nate, Tom and Susan, and Scott joined me in
Philadelphia last weekend.  Things got off to a bumpy
start, with Tom's camera dying on the first frame (see
his lament on his short people-photographer career),
and the brewpub that had cheerfully taken my
reservation two days before being closed for an event.

No matter.  We wandered a few blocks to the
Independence Brewpub for lunch, then through Reading
Terminal Market (a large indoor farmers' market),
nibbled at the edge of Chinatown, and then up the Ben
Franklin Parkway with a stop at the Rodin Museum.  The
weather was perfect, the fountains were flowing,
people were playing, and flags were fluttering.

Saturday evening Amita, Nate, and Scott cavorted at
the Irish Pub.  Sunday morning A&N headed back to New
York to amuse themselves packing for a move to a new
apartment, while Scott and I wandered the narrow
streets of the Washington Square neighborhood,
shooting and talking.  We parted after an excellent
lunch at a cafe's sidewalk table shortly after noon.

The pix are here:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=510956.
Photo.net annoyingly displays photos in reverse order,
so start at the bottom!  They're not great art, but
great art wasn't the point!

It was really fun to be able to link real people to
names on the list, talk about all sorts of stuff, and
try out cameras and lenses I don't have.

Cheers,

Rick

P.S. If anyone cares, the pix were taken with my PZ-1p
on Elite Chrome 100, mostly with either a 24-90 or an
80-320, and scanned with little if any manipulation.

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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:06:39 +0100
From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 12/7/05, Bruce Dayton, discombobulated, unleashed:

Bill,

Wow!  Your shot sure gives it a feeling of being on another planet.
Very cool.  Thanks for sharing it.

Exactly which planet do you come from again Bill?




Cheers,
 Cotty


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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:07:48 +0100
From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 12/7/05, Bruce Dayton, discombobulated, unleashed:

I admit that this shot is a bit cliche, but it is beautiful scenery,
nonetheless.  Taken on my recent Southern Utah trip.

Pentax *istD, A 28-135/4, handheld
ISO 800, 1/90 sec @ f/6.7
Converted from Raw using Capture One LE

http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/monumentvalley_0464.htm

Comments welcome.

Lovely Bruce, just lovely.

Why do I keep thinking of Richard Dreyfus and mashed potato??




Cheers,
 Cotty


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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:10:29 -0400
From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Why an istDs?
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I'm not sure but I think that should sting...

Scott Loveless wrote:

On 7/12/05, Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well, all my machines are SCSI running some derivitive of unix.



Our Kernel
That art in Cyberspace
Hallowed be thy Code
Thy Interface come
Thy Commands be done
On PC as it is on Mac
Give us this day our Nightly Build
And forgive us our Hacking
As we forgive those who Hack us
And lead us not into Windows
But deliver us from Microsoft
For thine is the OS, the Power, and Security
Forever and ever
Exec






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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:30:35 -0400
From: Tom Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Frantisek wrote:
Very good. We'll fix the details (as wine brand choice :)


mw> Jabol 8-))))

;-)) Uwaga, picie Jabolu to zagrozenie zycia! My

Jaky byl teraz Festiwal Teatrów Ulicznych w Krakowie? To ja widzialem
kilko teatru w Poznani na Malte, fajna impreza. Do zobaczenia w Polsce
czi Prage!


Damn it Frantisek, you've got your fingers on the wrong keys again.

Tom Reese

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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:09:35 +0000
From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2005/07/13 Wed PM 12:59:40 GMT
To: "pentax list" <pentax-discuss@pdml.net>
Subject: Re: London Bombing update

On 13/7/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Cotty means they were tracked after the event. Before the event they >weren't
>bombers, and weren't known to the authorities.

I have some more info. *Warning* grim details follow.

It appears that at least one bomber had personal details about his person
in the form of an address! The bomber on the bus was decapitated in the
explosion, and police literally found his head in the street. He was
identified from his face, and turns out he was known to the police
(exactly in what way remains to be seen).

It does seem that congratulations on excellent Police work were a bit ahead of time. I was rather suspicious that such strong leads were being so obviously invesigated - the word "scapegoat" leapt unbidden into my head. With the forensic equivalent of day-glo signage it is less suprising. The hard part is now to find the real perpetrators of this crime, rather than the poor, deluded teenagers that are criminals and victims at the same time.

mike


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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:13:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: GESO: A story about Barber Shop and what happens inside
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Michael,

I love photographic story-telling.  This takes me back
to a series I took as my now-17-year-old son got a
haircut as a 3-year old.

More pictures would really fill out a "story" better.
1 and 2 are at almost the same time (the
beginning),and 3 and 4 are similar (washing). The
other steps and the end result are missing.

I agree with Scott that #5 is very, very nice.

Rick

--- Michael Spivak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I know i don't comment much.. but i REALLY watch all
the photos in the list :)
Here is a little story i've try to tell about 1
small barber shop that
my wife likes...
http://mishka.site.co.il/gallery/BarberShop


Comments or critique are welcome !!!

PS: please try to look at it as a story and not as
"each photo by it's own"

Michael






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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 14:16:02 +0000
From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Tom Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2005/07/13 Wed PM 01:30:35 GMT
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Back! (for a while)

Frantisek wrote:
>>>Very good. We'll fix the details (as wine brand choice :)
>
>
> mw> Jabol 8-))))
>
> ;-)) Uwaga, picie Jabolu to zagrozenie zycia! My
>
> Jaky byl teraz Festiwal Teatrów Ulicznych w Krakowie? To ja widzialem
> kilko teatru w Poznani na Malte, fajna impreza. Do zobaczenia w Polsce
> czi Prage!
>

Damn it Frantisek, you've got your fingers on the wrong keys again.

Tom Reese

Nie.  Rozumiem.


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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:39:07 -0400
From: Tom Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Philly PDML Report and Gallery
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Rick Womer wrote:
Amita and Nate, Tom and Susan, and Scott joined me in
Philadelphia last weekend.

The pix are here:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=510956.

Nice job putting the gallery together Rick. Those fisheye photos are
very cool.

The PZ-1P is an intriguing camera with the two thumbwheels.
Thanks for letting me check it out.

Tom Reese

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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:19:41 -0400
From: "Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Kodak HIE advice please?
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Perhaps the film was not stored properly - if HEI gets hot (even very warm)
it can fog up pretty quickly.

I've shot lots of HEI in an ME-Super, changed it in a changing bag (outdoors
even - though in the shade) and use an Omega tank, which is pretty similar
to the Pattersons - and I've never had a problem with fogging.

- MCC
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Kalamazoo, MI
www.markcassino.com
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Stoddart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 9:41 AM
Subject: Kodak HIE advice please?



Guys,

A colleague and I have both independently shot a roll of Kodak HIE film
and both suffered fogging. We're trying to track down the cause and I was
hoping there might be some collective experience on the list? We actually
shot the rolls about a year apart, but apart from that everything we did
was remarkably similar.

1. We both were slavishly careful in handling the film, loading and
unloading in a changing bag, keeping the film in its plastic tub when
outside the camera.
2. We both used a Patterson plastic developing tank.
3. We both developed with ID-11 stock as per instructions for D76.
4. Both used Pentax cameras :-) (him ME-Super, me Program A)

The film appears to be evenly fogged in that the rebate/sprockets are also
grey through the entire length of the film. You can just make out a faint
image in some of the frames. All we can think of is that the film fogged
in the plastic tank (both of us developed in daylight). The film before
that one through my tank was a 120 roll of SFX-200 and that was fine with
no fogging at all and my colleague has successfully developed more than
one roll of Konica infra-red in his tank.

Can anyone suggest anything else we could have done wrong?

Chris


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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:22:22 -0400
From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Why an istDs?
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But by then all cameras would be running Windows "PU", (Photo Utility
what else did you think it stands for...)

Kevin Waterson wrote:

This one time, at band camp, "Steve Desjardins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



We need a tiny version of Windows.  When you press the shutter button,
the LCD screen shows "Are you sure?". <g>


That alone would make me switch to another brand ;)

Kevin






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