Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapters 7 & 8

2014-04-27 Thread Sungchul Ji
Gary R, List, According to I. Prigogine (1917-2003), there are two types of structures in the Universe -- (i) equilibrium STRUCTURES (e.g., table, bible, ec.) that do not change with time nor require energy dissiaption for them to exist, and (ii) dissipative STRUCTURES(e.g., the flame of a candle,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapters 7 & 8

2014-04-27 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: Frankly, I do not find CSP's words and works to be either as a structure or as a process. How about a "obscurist" or a "fuzzy-ist"? On the other hand, I find Michael's extraordinary clear view of philosophy: > Peirce is the one great philosopher who escapes my definition > of a philoso

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapters 7 & 8

2014-04-27 Thread Gary Richmond
Stephen, Michael, Gene, List, It seems to me that in sum the argumentation so far has been that Michael maintains that Peirce should be seen as a structuralist, Gene has countered that Peirce is best seen as a thorough-going process philosopher, and Michael responded to this by saying that to refe

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapters 7 & 8

2014-04-27 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I think it is much too early in the course of things to exclude Michael's conjectures which I assume are intended to widen in a radical and original manner the scope of Peirce's influence. It has after all taken 2000 years to arrive at the start of an appropriate revision of Aristotle, again based

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapters 7 & 8

2014-04-27 Thread Gary Richmond
Gene, Michael, List, I would tend to agree with Gene here, especially given the situation that Structuralism is not generally "properly understood" in the sense in which you are suggesting, Michael. Meanwhile, a number of Peircean scholars use 'processual' in this context much as Gene does, and t

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapters 7 & 8

2014-04-27 Thread Eugene Halton
Dear Michael, Sorry, but it is not in the least redundant to characterize Peirce’s philosophy as processual. It clarifies what pervades his thinking. Calling Peirce a structuralist, on the other hand, does not, in my opinion. Gene From: Michael Shapiro [mailto:poo...@earthlink.net] S

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapters 7 & 8

2014-04-27 Thread Sungchul Ji
Eugene, Michael, List, Eugene wrote: "I see no reason for calling Peirce a structuralist, (042714-1) since even a structure, in Peirce, is a habit-process, however slow or even seemingly invariant that inveterate habit may be: it remains potentially subject to growth. Why not simply ackno

RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-27 Thread Kasser,Jeff
I agree with everything you say here, Gary. Do you share my sense that the upshot of this discussion is that such questions as whether the a priori method is superior to authority and tenacity are generally not well posed? The a priori method shares with the method of science the important featu

FW: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

2014-04-27 Thread Kasser,Jeff
From: Kasser,Jeff Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:23 AM To: Jeffrey Brian Downard Subject: RE: Fwd: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science Hi Jeffrey, et al. Roberts is certainly a nominalist about laws, though my former colleag

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapters 7 & 8

2014-04-27 Thread Michael Shapiro
Gene, list,Structuralism properly understood does not exclude process or growth, just the opposite, so calling Peirce's doctrine "processualism" is both redundant and terminologically inadvisable, given the latter's unusualness. Cf. my 1991 book's title The Sense of Change: Language as History.Mich

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapters 7 & 8

2014-04-27 Thread Eugene Halton
Response to Michael Shapiro’s post that Peirce should be seen as a structuralist. Shapiro: “The use by Peirce of the form "rationalized" (rather than "rational") as a modifier of "variety" in the quotation above should be taken advisedly. This use of the participial form, with its adversion to

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapters 7 & 8

2014-04-27 Thread Michael Shapiro
Dear Fellow-Listers,I'd like to offer up the following as a take on ch. 7 and an anticipation of ch. 8, from the perspective of a non-philosopher interested in developing a Peircean theory of language for the twenty-first century:     Because he was a practicing scientist i