[PEIRCE-L] Natural Propositions, Chapter 2

2014-09-08 Thread Kasser,Jeff
Welcome to our discussion of Chapter 2 of *Natural Propositions*. My job as threadleader for this chapter has been somewhat preempted; I can't very well initiate a discussion that has already started without me. And Frederik has been, not merely diligent, but rather clearly heroic in his

[PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:6687] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-08 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Lists, Here are a couple of reflections on two different lines of discussion that have come out of chapter 1 of Natural Propositions. First, there appears to be a real disagreement over the nature of Peirce's concerns about drawing on the methods and results of empirical psychology when

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6685] Re: Natural Propositions: like craters

2014-09-08 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
because it does not add anything to saying the crater is caused by the meteor F Den 07/09/2014 kl. 21.45 skrev Deely, John N. jnde...@stthom.edumailto:jnde...@stthom.edu: How is “the crater is an index of the meteor” superfluous for understanding the crater? From: Frederik Stjernfelt

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-08 Thread Jon Awbrey
Re: Jeffrey Brian Downard At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13971 Jeff All, With regard to non-psychologism, it was a slip on my part to use that term. I don't think I've ever used it before. At any rate I will try to avoid using it again. It may sound like a

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-08 Thread Jon Awbrey
Thread Patch: FS:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13825 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13826 JBD:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13971 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13974 Peircers,

[PEIRCE-L] A Well-Known Rock On Tour

2014-09-08 Thread Jon Awbrey
A Well-Known Rock On Tour - Suppose you come to a rock on the moor: That may or may not have fallen there as a meteorite burrows out of the sky, or lava drops cool in a vanished lake. That may or may not have rolled there on the impulse of a rough-hewn hermit, or the

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6698] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-08 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear John, Lists He thought that we set aside a certain class of experiences that we take (fallibly in each instance) to be externally caused (an abduction) because they surprise us. However our thought does not get outside of the sequence of signs that are connected in our thought (or

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-08 Thread Jon Awbrey
Re: Frederik Stjernfelt At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13977 Frederik, In the 70s I read as almost as much Frege and Russell as I did Peirce and I think I grasped Frege's attitude fairly well, along with the mess Russell made of just about everything he touched.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6698] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-08 Thread Benjamin Udell
Frederik, John, As far as I can tell (and I've been looking around), Peirce never distinguishes between _/mind/_ and _/psyche/_. But he does distinguish between a logical conception of mind and a psychological conception of mind. (See for example Memoir 11 On the Logical Conception of Mind

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: clarification of reference to John

2014-09-08 Thread Deely, John N.
Please use “John C.” or “John D.” or perhaps the last names, so we can know which “John” is commenting or being responded to From: Benjamin Udell [mailto:bud...@nyc.rr.com] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:23 To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu; biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re:

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6698] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-08 Thread John Collier
Thanks for this, Ben. John From: Benjamin Udell [mailto:bud...@nyc.rr.com] Sent: September 8, 2014 7:23 PM To: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu; biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6698] Re: Natural Propositions Frederik, John, As far as I can tell (and I've been

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6706] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-08 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Ben, John, list - Den 08/09/2014 kl. 19.27 skrev John Collier colli...@ukzn.ac.za : Thanks for this, Ben. John But John, you did not respond to the query: If the world is sucked up inside the head - where is that head? Frederik, John, As far as I can tell (and I've been

Re: [biosemiotics:6705] RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: clarification of reference to John

2014-09-08 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Of course, John D. - sorry F Den 08/09/2014 kl. 19.25 skrev Deely, John N. jnde...@stthom.edumailto:jnde...@stthom.edu : Please use “John C.” or “John D.” or perhaps the last names, so we can know which “John” is commenting or being responded to From: Benjamin Udell

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6709] Re: Side issue: science

2014-09-08 Thread Frederik Stjernfelt
Dear Stan, Howard, list I certainly agree with Howard here. My emphasis on the chain of reasoning in recent list discussions may have given some a wrong impression of my position. Again, the reason for this emphasis was to claim that the overall process of knowledge-acquisition in a broad

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6706] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-08 Thread Benjamin Udell
Frederick, John C, John D, list, On 9/8/2014 3:44 PM, Frederik Stjernfelt wrote: [BU] As far as I can tell (and I've been looking around), Peirce never distinguishes between _/mind/ _ and _/psyche/ _. [FS] I did not claim P made such a distinction. I claimed his notion of mind was not

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-08 Thread Jon Awbrey
Spindle of Necessity: FS:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13825 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13826 JBD:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13971 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13974