Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Triadic Relations

2014-12-18 Thread Sungchul Ji
Edwina wrote: " . . . focus seems only to be one whether to call them: (121814-1) a Relation or an irreducible set of 3 Relations." Peirces' triadic relation satisfies the commutativity condition in that O determines S and S determines I in such a manner that I is indirectly determined by S

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Is Triadic Thinking Conscious?

2014-12-18 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I will ponder that. My own sense is that whatever Peirce may have meant his triadic structure functions consciously to generate expressions and actions that would not exist were the process binary, allowing only for an either or and or. It seems to me that however a sign is generated it is not a fu

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Is Triadic Thinking Conscious?

2014-12-18 Thread Jack Curtis
I think Peirce felt we feel our way to the truth, all the way from the tiny metaphors of symbolic process thru the big metaphors we construct conciously. Freedom of choice comes in thru imagination, which I don't think Peirce addressed much, but we can still feel our various imaginings, & pick the

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7771] Re: Peirce categories

2014-12-18 Thread Sungchul Ji
Edwina wrote: " . . . because the only thing that can function that way, (7771-1) is the whole triad, the Peircean Sign (capital S)." Not true. According to Peirce (see [biosemiotics:7797] for reference), "Sinsign can act as a sign even without an interpretant (7771-2) and qualisi

[PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7781] Natural Propositions: Chapter 8, Operational and Optimal Iconicity

2014-12-18 Thread Howard Pattee
At 02:57 PM 12/17/2014, Gary Richmond wrote: From the operational criterion comes the basic notion, expressed in the Syllabus (1903) that iconic signs are the only kind of sign which gives information . . . But Peirce also said: "the idea embodied by an icon . . . cannot of itself convey any

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:7596] Re: Peirce categories

2014-12-18 Thread Sungchul Ji
Hi, I forgot to add "signless" in the first column of Table A. So, according to QMS, there are four categories of signs -- qualisign, sinsign and legisign as usual and the new member "signless" that is thought to be the source of all the other signs. With all the best. Sung > Edwina wrote: >

Re: [biosemiotics:7792] Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Triadic Relations

2014-12-18 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Thanks for your comments, Ben. See mine below, but I think the post is getting messy and incomprehensible with the various post/responses all mixed up. You are probably the only one who will read it and I hope you can figure it out. I'll try colour-coding my current responses. 1) EDWINA: No-

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Triadic Relations

2014-12-18 Thread Benjamin Udell
Edwina, lists, 1) >>> EDWINA: I prefer the term 'relation' because it implies (at least to me) the idea of active interaction, while the 'stands as/for/to' implies (at least to me) the idea of static, mechanical cut-and-paste [End quote] >> BEN: Then substitute 'represents' fo

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Relations

2014-12-18 Thread Jon Awbrey
Sub-Sub-Thread: HP:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/15155 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/15160 HP:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/15161 JA:http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/15162 HP:http://