Re: [PEIRCE-L] Direct experience and immediate object

2018-06-20 Thread Clark Goble
> On Jun 20, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt > wrote: > > GF: It’s important to note that Stjernfelt’s definition of the immediate > object is a functional one--the immediate object plays an indexical role > within the functioning of a Dicisign ... > > According to Peirce, this is

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Democracy (was The real environmental problems...

2018-06-20 Thread Stephen Curtiss Rose
I think it is simpler than that. But I agree that past ethics does not cut it. Harm is harm and can be measured. So can its absence. That we fail to perform or act on these measurements is a fault of a system that delivers political power to special interests that themselves bear the brunt of

Re: Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Democracy (was The real environmental problems...

2018-06-20 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut, list I don't think that the Indus Valley societies were matriarchal! There is no evidence of that. Indeed, there is essentially no evidence of any society being matriarchal [ political governance by the women]. This is differentiated from matrilineal, which means that

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2018-06-20 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut, list Division of labour among genders is due to physique and childbirth/care. Division of labour among a population is due to economic productive capacities.. No matter what semantic term you want to call a shaman [leader, servant] - he DOES have authority over

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Direct experience and immediate object

2018-06-20 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Gary F., List: Apologies for the long-delayed response, but I was traveling abroad on vacation during the last two weeks and am still catching up on certain things. Coincidentally (or providentially), I have now finally managed to read through most of Francesco Bellucci's excellent book,

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Democracy (was The real environmental problems...

2018-06-20 Thread Helmut Raulien
    Supplement: And I think, but I dont know how certain this is, that there have been matriarchalic societies that were not H/G, but already agricultural, e.g. the Indus- culture. Édwina, list, I see, but I think that division of labour is something else than power hierarchy. Like with the

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Democracy (was The real environmental problems...

2018-06-20 Thread Helmut Raulien
Édwina, list, I see, but I think that division of labour is something else than power hierarchy. Like with the shaman who is not a leader, but a servant to the community, doing spiritual psychotherapy for them. Or the women who care for the children and gather, while the men hunt. And I do not

[PEIRCE-L] Democracy (was The real environmental problems...

2018-06-20 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut, list: No - I very much disagree with you. We are not 'genetically H/G'. We are genetically- as far as social organization is concerned -- -nothing -- which means, that our mode of life is entirely socially or intellectually constructed. Our social

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Democracy (was The real environmental problems...

2018-06-20 Thread Clark Goble
> On Jun 19, 2018, at 10:49 PM, Stephen Jarosek wrote: > >> "Not quite sure what you’re asking. Could there have been a different >> movement less tied to Christianity? Probably." > > I say probably not. And certainly not Islam. I guess it depends upon what one sees as important and/or

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Democracy (was The real environmental problems...

2018-06-20 Thread Clark Goble
> On Jun 20, 2018, at 4:31 AM, Stephen Curtiss Rose wrote: > > The Pragmaticist Maxim cuts through all these considerations and focuses on > the practical results of thinking, musing, etc Peirce designated aesthetics > and ethics as normative sciences. He was agapaic in his core

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2018-06-20 Thread Helmut Raulien
Edwina, list, Thank you! I think it is very important, that H/G- societies donot have a leader, because we are genetically H/G. The short time afterwards has not yet relevantly shaped our DNA. And most other mammals, primates too, have a ranking order. So I think that it is a great achievement

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Democracy (was The real environmental problems...

2018-06-20 Thread Stephen Jarosek
>” but would have focused instead on the fruits of their thinking.” Exactly my point. Relates to the cultural narratives that trickle down throughout culture. From: Stephen Curtiss Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 12:31 PM To: Stephen Jarosek Cc: Clark Goble;

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Democracy (was The real environmental problems...

2018-06-20 Thread Stephen Curtiss Rose
The Pragmaticist Maxim cuts through all these considerations and focuses on the practical results of thinking, musing, etc Peirce designated aesthetics and ethics as normative sciences. He was agapaic in his core understanding of things. This suggests he would have had little interest in parsing