Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Intuitionistic logic

2020-12-25 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
John, Helmut, List: I agree with John's additional remarks about intuitionistic logic. Addressing Helmut's worry, it does not "blur" the concept of truth; on the contrary, there is a sense in which it establishes a *higher *standard than classical logic because it *requires *constructive proofs by

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Intuitionistic logic, WAS: Asymmetry of Logic and Time

2020-12-25 Thread Helmut Raulien
Edwina, the story of my life is, that I frequently want  things that donot emerge due to my wanting. But I agree. At least I am a mechanic, so I can know something. Best, Helmut      25. Dezember 2020 um 20:27 Uhr "Edwina Taborsky" wrote: Helmut - I don't think that we can 'want' both democr

[PEIRCE-L] Intuitionistic logic, WAS: Asymmetry of Logic and Time

2020-12-25 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut - I don't think that we can 'want' both democracy and capitalism. Neither emerges due to our 'wanting'. Capitalism is an economic mode that enables a growth economy and population growth. No other economic mode enables either. And democracy is simply a political system th

Aw: Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Intuitionistic logic, WAS: Asymmetry of Logic and Time

2020-12-25 Thread Helmut Raulien
Edwina, so, if we want both democracy and capitalism, we should support individual private enterprises, I agree. And for companies bigger than an individual co-operatives. Otherwise the business-owners cannot become majority. I don´t think, that all knowledge is incomplete. Due to Goedel, as far

Re: Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Intuitionistic logic, WAS: Asymmetry of Logic and Time

2020-12-25 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut - No, I don't think that Godel's incompleteness theory has anything to do with democracy. After all, if we take as a given, that all knowledge is incomplete [and Peirce would be the first to say this!], then, we'd have to question other historical forms of governance - such as a h

Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Intuitionistic logic, WAS: Asymmetry of Logic and Time

2020-12-25 Thread Helmut Raulien
Jon,   you wrote "except as...", yes, these exceptions are what I was talking about. I think, Goedel´s Incompleteness Theorem even is the justification for democracy: No king can have complete information about the system he governs, because he is part of it. Incomplete information is not-knowled

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Inquiry Driven Systems

2020-12-25 Thread Jon Awbrey
Cf: Inquiry Driven Systems • Comment 6 http://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2020/12/25/inquiry-driven-systems-comment-6/ Re: Peter Cameron https://cameroncounts.wordpress.com/about/ ::: Publication : An Author's View https://cameroncounts.wordpress.com/2020/12/23/publication-an-authors-view/ Dear Peter

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Intuitionistic logic

2020-12-25 Thread Helmut Raulien
  John, Jon,   Thank you! My first idea is, that to negate each step and reverse the order only is valid with the excluded middle, so exclusion of the  middle should be necessary for both ways of proof too. But I will read your links, thank you for your patience! I think, the concept of truth i