John, list Thank you for an impressive paper and outline of diagrammatic thinking.
My question is - in your paper, do you explain how a diagram becomes [ as operative in the categorical mode of Thirdness] a primary mediative force in the movement from sensation [of the object] to an Interpretant [of that object]. That is, the diagram is not always in a non-interfering mode of Firstness or Secondness but can become, so to speak, agential [ as in ideology, as in a defective immune system,,as well, of course, when we identify the bird or insect outside the window]. Edwina > On Aug 27, 2023, at 10:20 PM, John F Sowa <s...@bestweb.net> wrote: > > Alex, Doug F, > > I'm attaching a PDF of the article I sent yesterday. This version has > diagrams that will clarify many of the issues. > > Figure 2 is fundamental, and Figures 3 and 4 clarify some of the details. > (To Alex : every diagram is a structure, and every structure is a diagram. > They serve exactly the same purpose.) > > Doug F> Even if most everybody often thinks in diagrams, that doesn't mean it > is > the sole method of thinking. If i am listening to a bird or insect making > noises outside my window, my attempt to recognize the type of animal is > not diagramatic. If i am smelling a flower blindfolded, my attempt to > recognize the type of bloom is not diagramatic. If i am petting my cat > while reading and detect a bur in her fur, that is not diagramatic. > > [JFS> All those sensations and actions are continuous. But if you want to > talk about them or relate them to your inner stock of discrete > words/concepts, you must simplify them to a structure/diagram that is > constructed of discrete parts.] > > DF> If I taste something i am cooking to determine whether to add more (and > which) > herb or spice, i am not engaged in diagrammatic thinking. > > [JFS> Now you have converted the continuous perceptions to discrete units > (concepts/words). That can be represented as a structure or diagram. A > sentence made up of words is just a one-dimensional diagram/structure. A > moving multidimensional diagram can be a much closer map to your perceptions, > plans, and actions. That is what Peirce called diagrammatic thinking.] > > In every one of those examples, the percept is a continuous reflection of > external imagery. As Figures 2, 3, and 4show, that continuous information > must be mapped to discrete units before they can be mapped to and from any > language that has discrete words or concepts. > > Peirce used the word 'diagram', and Alex used the word 'structure', you could > also use words like graph, hypergraph, or whatever. But the critical issue > is that some discrete structure of some kind must serve as the intermediate > stage between a continuous world and any discrete set of words or concepts > used to talk about it. I also attached a long list of references, which > represent a small subset of the things I have consulted while developing the > ideas in that article. I invite you to explore them (and/or any others you > may prefer). > > John > <PhanAbst.pdf>_______________________________________________ > CG mailing list -- c...@lists.iccs-conference.org > To unsubscribe send an email to cg-le...@lists.iccs-conference.org
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