Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Why vagueness is important

2023-08-12 Thread Helmut Raulien
...@bestweb.net Cc: ontolog-fo...@googlegroups.com, "Peirce List" Betreff: Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Why vagueness is important Dear John, dear Edwina, dear all,   is there a widely accepted definition of consciousness? If you say like "Alex>  My concept of consciousness would be an awareness

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Why vagueness is important

2023-08-12 Thread Edwina Taborsky
to be maintained and > sustained. So I think, a computer cannot be conscious, what you need is a > living thing, an organism. So I think, only organisms- with a highly > developed brain- can be conscious or aware, but computers, even robots, not. > > Best, > Helmut > &g

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] Why vagueness is important

2023-08-12 Thread Helmut Raulien
living thing, an organism. So I think, only organisms- with a highly developed brain- can be conscious or aware, but computers, even robots, not.   Best, Helmut     Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2023 um 22:18 Uhr Von: "John F Sowa" An: ontolog-fo...@googlegroups.com, "Peir

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Why vagueness is important

2023-08-12 Thread Edwina Taborsky
John, List I view the two terms of awareness and consciousness as aspects of Secondness and Thirdness, where, as Peirce wrote, “two sets of objects, what we are immediately conscious of and what we are mediately conscious of” [5.395]/. Awareness would obviously function within a categorical

[PEIRCE-L] Why vagueness is important

2023-08-11 Thread John F Sowa
Dear All, This thread has attracted too many responses for me to save all of them. But Mihai Nadin cited intriguing experimental evidence that fruit flies "think" before they act (copy below). I also found a web site that says more:about the experimental methods:

[PEIRCE-L] Why vagueness is important

2023-08-10 Thread John F Sowa
Alex, The answer to your question below is related to your previous note: "Just a question: do flies or bees have mental models?" Short answer: They behave as if they do, Bees definitely develop a model of the environment, and they go back to their nest and communicate it to their

[PEIRCE-L] Why vagueness is important (was On the concept of consciousness

2023-08-10 Thread John F Sowa
A recent discussion about consciousness in Ontolog Forum showed that Peirce's writings are still important for understanding and directing research on the latest issues in artificial intelligence. The note below is my response to a discussion about AI research on artificial consciousness. The