Re: Fwd: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-08-13 Thread Sungchul Ji
Gary R, Gary F, list, From my cherry-picking readings in the orchard of Peirce, I gathered the impression that Every phenomenon has three aspects he called (081314-1) Firstness, Secondness and Thirdness. If this impression of mine is true, why can't phaneron itself have these

RE: Fwd: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-08-13 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Gary, GR: I would maintain that, and apart from analysis, in our phenomenological experience those several qualities are felt as distinct. GF: I would agree with that. They are felt as distinct when the analysis is not under conscious control, as the percept itself is not.

Re: Fwd: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-08-13 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary, all, Gary F. wrote: But phaneroscopy is looking for the elements of the phaneron, not the elements of experience, and certainly not the elements of *human* experience only. I can well believe that the only way to do this scientifically (i.e. communally) is by way of iconoscopy, or

RE: Fwd: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-08-12 Thread Gary Fuhrman
John, you wrote, I think you would have to agree that experiencing firsts is at least very difficult and something that we do not usually do. In particular, because of this, they cannot be the ground of other experiences. If so, then this is the point I have been trying to make. I think

Re: Fwd: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-08-12 Thread Stephen C. Rose
To the extent that I understand Firsts as originating in feelings (derived I infer from some effort to sense what is coming up in one's consciousness, having willed to seek to plumb it, it seems to me that a First begins with that feeling and that it is then named with one or more terms. For

RE: Fwd: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-08-12 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Gary, John, list, GR: Although I agree that Firstness (rather, any given First as quality or character) does not admit of discreteness or plurality, I'm not so certain that we can't really speak of 'firsts' in the plural. Doesn't it happen that within a moment of a single experience that

Re: Fwd: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-08-12 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary F, list, I'm not at all convinced of the following. GF: Speaking both for my own phaneroscopy and for my understanding of Peirce's, I would say that the redness, the roundness, the coolness and the solidity of the apple are all constituents of the single feeling which is the experience of

Re: Fwd: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-08-11 Thread John Collier
: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for To: Gary Richmond gary.richm...@gmail.com Mensaje original Asunto: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for Fecha: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 15:17:22 -0300 De: Claudio Guerri claudiogue