John, we agree that De Tienne’s reference to a “transition out of mathematics”
in slide 25 can be confusing, and you say that we can avoid the confusion “by
adopting the word 'diagram' for ADT's slide 25.” It’s not clear to me how this
“adopting” would work. Do you mean substituting the word “di
Gary F, List,
GF: we agree that De Tiennes reference to a
transition out of
mathematics in slide 25 can be confusing, and you
say that we can
avoid the confusion by adopting the word 'diagram'
for ADT's slide
25. ... Do you mean substituting the word diagram
for some part of
slide 25?
>
>
> Helmut, List,
>
>
JFS: I agree with Gary that "there are no
> perfect choices
when it
> comes to naming such things" and we
>
should "weed out the choices most
> likely to cause
>
confusion."
>
> HR: But if we weed out too many
terms, we may
> not be able to talk
> anymore! Can we
My only excuse is that it's after midnight.
Helmut, List,
JFS: I agree with Gary that "there are no perfect choices
when it
comes to naming such things" and we should "weed
out the choices most
likely to cause confusion."
HR:
But if we weed out too many terms, we may not be able to talk
anym
usystems.ca/TS/xpt.htm> to explain what
people mean by "experience", so I won't try to do that here; but it is a key
word in the current part of ADT's talk, so we can discuss it later if need
be.
Gary f.
From: John F. Sowa
Sent: 22-Aug-21 00:26
To: s...@bestweb.net
Cc:
Gary R, List,
I have a high regard for ADT's expertise about
Peirce's entire body of
work and his understanding of the
interconnections and developments
over the years. But ADT is not a
mathematician or logician, and
Peirce was.
GR: But this
is just your opinion, John, and it seems to me that
John, List,
Diagrams are *signs *(3ns). In the 10-fold classification of signs Peirce's
examples of two of the ten classes references diagrams: class 2, the
rhematic iconic sinsign -- example: "an individual diagram" (CP 2.255);
class 5, the (rhematic) iconic legisign -- example: "a diagram, apart
Helmut, List,
Thanks for the clarification.
As I recall, just before we began this slow read I suggested, as I have in
past slow reads, that for the integrity of especially the archives of the
read that it would probably be best not to change the subject line; but it
was just a suggestion and the
erratum
"JAS: And he [Peirce] repeatedly derided "metaphysicians" who did not base
their
reasoning on logic, mathematics and diagrams. "
The quote is of JFS, John Sowa, not JAS, Jon Alan Schmidt.
GR
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Beauty and terror
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