Gary, lists, However I don't deny the reality of 1ns, my claim is that they must be abstracted in Locke's sense of partial consideration, which is similar if not identical to Peirce's notion of precission. Basically, I think the Frederik has it right. This is the argument I have been trying to make for some years now. It has implications for phenomenology or phaneroscopy concerning the nature of them as sciences that I believe to be important. Ultimately I think it is necessary for understanding Peirce's form of realism.
John From: Gary Richmond [mailto:gary.richm...@gmail.com] Sent: April 26, 2015 8:38 PM To: biosemiot...@lists.ut.ee Cc: Peirce-L 1 Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:8478] Re: Natural Propositions, Frederik, lists, You write, "But pain involves secondness." No doubt. I had already written there is "certainly secondness involved" in my unexpected sudden eye pain example. But, unless one wants to deny the reality of 1ns, as apparently John would, then one must admit that pain--and, as Peirce says, each unique instance of pain--has its own distinct character, it's unique quality (firstness). And are the three phenomenoloogical categories ever found apart from the others in reality? Peirce says no (although one may predominate). So to say that pain involves secondess doesn't deny firstness at all as I see it. Best, Gary [Gary Richmond] Gary Richmond Philosophy and Critical Thinking Communication Studies LaGuardia College of the City University of New York C 745 718 482-5690 On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Frederik Stjernfelt <stj...@hum.ku.dk<mailto:stj...@hum.ku.dk>> wrote: Dear Gary, lists - But pain involves secondness - it is not imagined pain - you refer to real pain which implies there's something actually acting in your eye - so it is not the pure quality, it is quality coupled with the insistence of secondness. Your blinking eye works in order to get rid of the existing particle, not only to address a quality of feeling. By the same token, pain involves thirdness - the complex of pain and blinking reflex has a purpose, that of cleaning your eye, and behind that is a biological habit acquired over millenia of selection. So the felt pain is only prescinded from this background ... that would be my version ... Qualities without secondness are but possibilities ... Best F Den 26/04/2015 kl. 18.46 skrev Gary Richmond <gary.richm...@gmail.com<mailto:gary.richm...@gmail.com>> : John, I experience qualities as such and often before I've labeled them x, y, or z. Walking along the street on a windy day a sharp dust particle hits my eye. Although there is certainly some secondness involved, I experience pain before I think 'pain'. Maybe other people do experience such things differently. Best, Gary
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