Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Talking about Peirce's theory of research

2019-06-24 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS, list I continue to disagree. I consider that a critique of an argument does not require a 'better argument' to justify the criticism. The criticism should stand on its own - critiquing both the content of the

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Talking about Peirce's theory of research

2019-06-24 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, List: My point is that if someone disagrees with X, and wants to convince others that X is false, then that person needs to offer an *argument *for not-X that is *better *(i.e., more persuasive) than any arguments presented for X. If you fail to *demonstrate *that my argument is somehow f

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Talking about Peirce's theory of research

2019-06-24 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS, list I disagree. An argument that is, it itself, fallacious, as I suggest yours was, cannot be 'supported by a better argument' - since, as I keep saying and you don't seem to understand, - what if the argume

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Talking about Peirce's theory of research

2019-06-24 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, List: Thank you for perfectly illustrating my point. Merely *stating* disagreement should never be sufficient, by itself, to convince anyone. A critique can only "logically and factually stand on its own merits" if it is supported by a *better* argument than the position being criticized

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Talking about Peirce's theory of research

2019-06-24 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS, list I disagree with your comment: " If someone disagrees with what I post on the List--whether a particular reading of Peirce's words, or my own suggestion "inspired by" them--then the proper respo

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Talking about Peirce's theory of research

2019-06-21 Thread Gary Richmond
List, I will be referring here once again to Joe Ransdell's thoughtful and sensible guidelines for participation in Peirce-L. http://www.iupui.edu/~arisbe/PEIRCE-L/PEIRCE-L.HTM There is little doubt in my mind that everyone here who hasn't read them, should read them. For Joe was not only an exce

Aw: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Talking about Peirce's theory of research

2019-06-21 Thread Helmut Raulien
List, I think, that the critical point of most discussions here is the epistemic cut. I guess it also is the cut between reality and existance. Is God real, but does not exist? Is a sign not a real thing, or is it real but not existing? Is reality minus being that what is present to our brains bu

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Talking about Peirce's theory of research

2019-06-19 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Jon - I don't think you realize what you are doing. There is no need to be so defensive about what others write to you with regard to your comments/interpretations! That's what I said - that if anyone critiques you, you g

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Talking about Peirce's theory of research

2019-06-19 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Ben, Edwina, John, List: I greatly appreciate Ben's kind words, but would like to offer some clarifications in light of the specific concerns that John and Edwina have expressed. BN: I want to know what Peirce thought, and that is why I most value what Jon is doing. ET: First, if you want to k

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Talking about Peirce's theory of research

2019-06-19 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Ben, list Thank you for your post but I don't think it is as simple as you outline. First, if you want to know what Peirce thought, then I think you will have to read the works yourself and make up your o