Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pragmatics and Peirce

2019-04-05 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Helmut: Thanks for clarifying. Regarding #1, any two actualities *objectively *have a relation. CSP: In the metaphysical sense, *existence *is that mode of being which consists in the resultant genuine dyadic relation of a strict individual with all the other such individuals of the same univer

Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pragmatics and Peirce

2019-04-05 Thread Helmut Raulien
    supp.: Quote from Jon Awbrey´s Inquiry to inquiry: "As mathematical traps go, this one is hydra-headed. I don’t know if it’s possible to put a prior restraint on the varieties of relational reduction that might be considered, but usually we are talking about either one of two types of reduc

Aw: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pragmatics and Peirce

2019-04-05 Thread Helmut Raulien
Jon, list,   I also try to stick with Peirce. Contradictions I dont see:   1.: I dont think that social is not logical, and subjectivity versus objectivity I see not as modes of being, but of chosen point of view.   2.: With triad I have meant triadic relation, and did not claim any identity

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pragmatics and Peirce

2019-04-05 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Helmut, List: Again, I prefer to stick with Peirce on all of this. - A *logical *relation is *not *subjective, like *social *relationships are; it is simply "a fact about a number of things" (CP 3.416; 1892). - There is no "SOI triad," but a *triadic relation* between the Sign, Object

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pragmatics and Peirce

2019-04-01 Thread Gary Richmond
Edwina, Jon, List, Jon quoted Edwina, then quoted her again *as* response to her question: ET: ... who do you think should be the authorities who decide on, as you say, what is 'an accurate understanding of Peirce's work'? JAS: You answered your own question ... ET: ... don't you think that

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pragmatics and Peirce

2019-04-01 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS - I repeat ET: ... who do you think should be the authorities who decide on, as you say, what is 'an accurate understanding of Peirce's work'? No- I didn't answer this question and I've no idea why y

Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pragmatics and Peirce

2019-04-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, List: ET: ... who do you think should be the authorities who decide on, as you say, what is 'an accurate understanding of Peirce's work'? You answered your own question ... ET: ... don't you think that they should be allowed to read and interpret Peirce's work on their own[?] As I h

Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pragmatics and Peirce

2019-04-01 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }JAS - with regard to your post - who do you think should be the authorities who decide on, as you say, what is 'an accurate understanding of Peirce's work'??? Is there some kind of - oh, upper level hierarchy of Peircean s

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pragmatics and Peirce

2019-04-01 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Edwina, List: ET: ... IF this particular Peirce list itself has no interest in examining how Peirce's work can be used in the pragmatic 'real' world - then, why am I even bothering to wish such a thing? The antecedent of this conditional is false. Plenty of List participants have expressed the

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Pragmatics and Peirce

2019-04-01 Thread Edwina Taborsky
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Jerry, list Yes - I understand what you are saying - that IF this particular Peirce list itself has no interest in examining how Peirce's work can be used in the pragmatic 'real' world - then, why am I even bother