SV: SV: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-08-01 Thread Søren Brier
tial - but does not exist - until a token is produced or manifested. You promote another interpretation, which I do not understand. Please explain. Søren Fra: John Collier [mailto:colli...@ukzn.ac.za] Sendt: 31. juli 2014 21:36 Til: Peirce-L Emne: Re: SV: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: bios

Re: SV: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-07-31 Thread Sungchul Ji
Søren wrote: "Even to produces thoughts and feeling demands work. (073114-1) That would be a biosemiotic view (but one that we have not discussed much). But I think you are correct in saying that Peirce did not do any work on this aspect of sign production." I am glad to learn this fact abou

Re: SV: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-07-31 Thread John Collier
I would agree with Søren, except that I find the grammar a bit odd. I suppose that their could be signs that are not manifested, but I would call these possible signs. The possibilities are real, and are most likely thirds. I don't think that a possible x is an x. So I find it a bit odd to talk a

SV: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-07-31 Thread Søren Brier
Dear Clark and list My I add a few thoughts? I agree that sign are reals, but when they manifests as tokens their Secondness must enter the world of physics and thermodynamics must apply. It is work to make signs emerge in non-verbal communication or as language from ones feeling and thoughts.