Re: [peirce-l] Slow Read : "Sciences as Communicational Communities" Segment 6

2011-10-05 Thread Jon Awbrey
Steven, Jerry, and All -- Re: "Communicational Communities" The etymology of "community" tells us that "munus" means duty, gift, or service, so the original idea seems rooted in concepts of common duty and shared service. http://depthome.brooklyn.cuny.edu/classics/gladiatr/origins.htm Our noti

Re: [peirce-l] Slow Read : "Sciences as Communicational Communities" Segment 6

2011-10-05 Thread Steven Ericsson-Zenith
I agree with Jerry's concern here and have a similar internal debate going on. Mine centers on the very notion of "communication" which appears to me to be a way of speaking about the pair: expression and apprehension. So that when speaking of "communication" in communities (or any other sense)

Re: [peirce-l] “Some Leading Ideas of Peirce's Semiotic”

2011-10-05 Thread Jon Awbrey
Jerry & All, Too late to start a full discussion, and I will have to dig up some notes that I wrote a long time ago, but here is a collection of links to ideas that I will be taking as fundamental when it comes to sign relations, triadic relations, and relations in general. http://knol.google.c

Re: [peirce-l] Slow Read : "Sciences as Communicational Communities" Segment 6

2011-10-05 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
On Oct 2, 2011, at 11:06 AM, Gary Fuhrman wrote: > Jerry, > > [[ I have been debating with myself for the past month on the relations > between "collective" and "distributive" in the context of 'communicational > communities'. A complete stalemate exists. I have no idea what this phrase > mig

Re: [peirce-l] “Some Leading Ideas of Peirce's Semiotic”

2011-10-05 Thread Houser, Nathan R.
Jerry, Your question to me is: JR notion that 90% of CSP is this or that is an hypothesis that seems to be a diminishment of CSP's lifework. Anything less than 100% postulates is a division of an indivisible. What would the other 10% be? There is no easy answer to this for a number of reasons

Re: [peirce-l] "Intelligent Slaves"

2011-10-05 Thread samnets
Perhaps Peirce would have appreciated the irony that the AI and connectionist insights into man-machine interaction he inspired are creating robotic "intelligent slaves:" far more capable than the sharecroppers and wage-slaves he detested. Would he have been pleased that the near universal highe

Re: [peirce-l] “Some Leading Ideas of Peirce's Semiotic”

2011-10-05 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Jon, Sally, Nathan, Gene: On Oct 5, 2011, at 12:20 AM, Jon Awbrey wrote: > The crux of both the political issue and the semiotic issue rests squarely > with > the concept of representation. This comment is sort of a ramble over various topics from recent contributors. In W1, p. 256, Ha

Re: [peirce-l] "intelligent slaves"

2011-10-05 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Thanks for this Eugene. If you credit Brent, the most serious thing IMO on Peirce's moral ledger would be violence. That is where my problem with Pierce would be more than with his nativism/racism. Someone wrote in a study of Pierce that James was a saint who longed to be a sinner and Peirce a sin

Re: [peirce-l] "intelligent slaves"

2011-10-05 Thread Steven Ericsson-Zenith
If I am honest I must recognize that the egalitarianism and despise of unmerited privilege and class in my own view is the product of English Liberalism, culture and circumstance, and not one of uncompromised reason. I am English, I was raised in England, my grandparents were "in service" and th

Re: [peirce-l] "intelligent slaves"

2011-10-05 Thread Harley Myler
On Oct 5, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Eugene Halton wrote: > But if Truth be something public, it must mean that to the acceptance of > which as a basis of conduct any person you please would ultimately come if he > pursued his inquiries far enough; - yes, every rational being, however > prejudiced he m

Re: [peirce-l] "intelligent slaves"

2011-10-05 Thread Eugene Halton
Dear Stephen, In support of what you say concerning that we are all a spectrum, including less than admirable things as well as admirable things, let me quote something I find admirable from near the beginning of the very same letter of 1908, where Peirce says: "Unless t

Re: [peirce-l] "intelligent slaves"

2011-10-05 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Let me spare you the difficulty of reading the part of my note that was unintelligible. It should read: First in this universe is his threes and next his convincing case for realism. I could cite less than admirable things about numerous heroes of our time and all it would end up being would be p

Re: [peirce-l] "intelligent slaves"

2011-10-05 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Let's put it this way and this is but a personal view. Without Neitzsche, some of whose stated values and positions are nonsensical or at least painfully familiar, I never would have sensed the mission to be a revaluer of values. That I try to be is due solely to my encounter with him. Without Peir

Re: [peirce-l] "intelligent slaves"

2011-10-05 Thread Jon Awbrey
Ha! Apart from the possibility of irony, which I commonly find in Peirce more than others do, I think it is clear that matters of society and judgment of character were some of Peirce's weakest points, which is why I switch to Dewey when it comes to practical wit on those scores. Jon -- facebo

Re: [peirce-l] "intelligent slaves"

2011-10-05 Thread Eugene Halton
Dear Stephen et al., But what about this, a darker side of Peirce from a letter to Lady Welby of December 28, 1908. Though against English liberalism (update to today's "neoliberalism") as futile rationalism, Peirce's alternative is not a more inclusive democracy, but one in which p

Re: [peirce-l] Slow Read : "Sciences as Communicational Communities" Segment 1

2011-10-05 Thread Benjamin Udell
Re: [peirce-l] Slow Read : "Sciences as Communicational CoDear Sally, list, I've been occupied, and I guess that it's too late for me to catch up with the rest of the slow read, anyway I won't be miffed if nobody replies to this. Here's a cut-down version of the draft that I was working on for S

Re: [peirce-l] “Some Leading Ideas of Peirce's Semiotic”

2011-10-05 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Oddly enough it was Brent, whose biography I am not in love with because it is in a word binary, who explained to my initial satisfaction the working of Threes which I must assume to be the basic structure of semiosis or semiotics. To condense the First as excitation the Second as Blunt Truth and t