[peirce-l] Re: on continuity and amazing mazes

2006-03-13 Thread Benjamin Udell
Thomas, list, > Peirce's version of the proof for Cantor's theorem can be mapped in a quite > straightforward way to the structure of the New List of 1867. At the same > time the proof of Cantor's theorem can be extended by continued > diagonalization (which latter, by the way, Peirce discovere

[peirce-l] Re: on continuity and amazing mazes

2006-03-13 Thread Marc Lombardo
Thomas,If you don't mind my asking, what's wrong with the "nonstandard analysis" approach to illustrating continuum, so long as that approach is VERY nonstandard? I was quite convinced by Hilary Putnam's introduction to "Reasoning and the Logic of Things." Putnam suggests that rather than understan

[peirce-l] Re: on continuity and amazing mazes

2006-03-14 Thread Thomas Riese
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:37:14 +0100, Marc Lombardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thomas, If you don't mind my asking, what's wrong with the "nonstandard analysis" approach to illustrating continuum, so long as that approach is VERY nonstandard? I was quite convinced by Hilary Putnam's introductio

[peirce-l] Re: on continuity and amazing mazes

2006-03-14 Thread Arnold Shepperson
Thomas   TR:  Thomas Riese AS:  Arnold Shepperson   TR: Peirce is exactly interested in the relation between isomorphous forms.His primary relation is the general form of transitivity. TR: The difference has far reaching, profound implications. AS:  I agree with you on this.  Contemporary work that

[peirce-l] Re: on continuity and amazing mazes

2006-03-15 Thread Thomas Riese
Dear Arnold, I believe L 224, the letter Peirce wrote to William James on 1909 Feb 26 is exceedingly important here. In print you find it in volume III/2, p.836 ff. of "The New Elements of Mathematics", ed.: Carolyn Eisele. What is important is the fact that general transitivity has a propert

[peirce-l] Re: on continuity and amazing mazes

2006-03-15 Thread Joseph Ransdell
Arnold says:    I would venture to suggest (subject to the better sense of those on the list who have greater experince with the MSS than I have) that the notion of a Sign contains the concept of a transitive function, making a very strong case for what Thomas has said on this subject.  Other

[peirce-l] Re: on continuity and amazing mazes

2006-03-15 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Thomas:Your thoughts on the potential relation between Peirce's continuity and mathematical history were fascinating.  I must confess that I am a bit of a skeptic when it comes to the possibility of a sensible relation between logic, any logic, and a philosophy of mathematics.Nonetheless, I remain

[peirce-l] Re: on continuity and amazing mazes

2006-03-16 Thread Bernard Morand
Joseph Ransdell a écrit : Arnold says:    I would venture to suggest (subject to the better sense of those on the list who have greater experince with the MSS than I have) that the notion of a Sign contains the concept of a transitive function, making a very strong case for what

[peirce-l] Re: on continuity and amazing mazes

2006-03-16 Thread Helmut Pape
Dear Thomas, dear List, ¨ ¨  I am sure you are right that many of his general ideas about logical form where already actively structuring Peirce's work on logic and the categories around 1867. Even earlier he had identified the transitivity property of inferential relation as the crucial requi

[peirce-l] Re: on continuity and amazing mazes

2006-03-16 Thread Benjamin Udell
Bernard, list,   > I returned to the sources and fell short with the following:--CP 3.175175. The forms A -< B, or A implies B, and A ~-< B, or A does not imply B †3, embrace both hypothetical and categorical propositions. Thus, to say

[peirce-l] Re: on continuity and amazing mazes

2006-03-16 Thread Bernard Morand
Thanks Ben, I think that you have got it better than me. What is meant is certainly as you put it: "to say that all men are mortal is the same as to say that for every man, for every character, if said man possesses said character, then there is a mortal who possesses said character". This expr

[peirce-l] Re: on continuity and amazing mazes

2006-03-16 Thread jwillgoose
es and whether and how to translate between discourses.   I cannot yet see how to handle 3.175, but thought I would contribute this much.   Jim W -Original Message-From: Benjamin Udell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Peirce Discussion Forum Sent: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:52:03 -0500Subject: [peirc

[peirce-l] Re: on continuity and amazing mazes

2006-03-17 Thread Thomas Riese
Thanks for your response and interest, Jerry. You do of course touch the most subtle and perhaps difficult to understand point in Peirce's conception of logic. What concerns the "grounding" or perhaps "foundation", I would say it has no foundation in the sense you probably mean. I has none

[peirce-l] Re: on continuity and amazing mazes

2006-03-17 Thread Thomas Riese
Dear Helmut Pape, list, thank you very much for you thoughtful response. It is still something different that I am after. I would like to propose to try, whether or not it is possible, to put the Cantor proof and the New List side by side "synoptically" and see whether or not it is possible

[peirce-l] Re: on continuity and amazing mazes

2006-04-03 Thread Drs.W.T.M. Berendsen
Dear list, Some request from me again...fact is that I am getting some great insights at the moment, but need to have some better understanding from the term "diagrammatic" as stated by CS Peirce. What I want to truly understand is what he meant by this term. For that I need to know where to find