[PEN-L:4674] Re: Trond's Debt/Asset polarization model

1995-04-11 Thread Patrick Bond
Trond, your recent post that the debt cycle `caused' stagnation from the late 1970s appeared to me as a cart before the horse. The argument I've been more closely drawn to is that the emerging problem of overaccumulated capital in the advanced industrial countries found a temporary means of

[PEN-L:4675] Re: Trond's Debt/Asset polarization model

1995-04-11 Thread Patrick Bond
Oh, also, on the debt forgiveness/default issue, I've just returned from a two day Friends of the Earth seminar on the IMF, which included a long discussion of how NGOs could engage in high-level debates over managing the debt crisis in this mutual fund era. There were some interesting papers

[PEN-L:4680] Re: Trond's Debt/Asset polarization model

1995-04-11 Thread Ellen Dannin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 11 Apr 1995 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With respect to the views of traditional religions toward interest, let me note that: 1) Judaism only forbade it within the community; it was OK to collect from gentiles. * * * 5) All of the above accepted profit based on risk- sharing,

[PEN-L:4681] Re: Trond's Debt/Asset polarization model

1995-04-11 Thread Jim Devine
Yeah, those are other reasons why interest might be outlawed.* But it doesn't contradict what I said. Consumer loans go to pay for consumption (obviously), which doesn't lead to the production of a surplus-product which helps pay the interest charges. Though obviously, there are complications

[PEN-L:4683] Re: Trond's Debt/Asset polarization model

1995-04-11 Thread ROSSERJB
To Ellen Dannin: I could be wrong, but I have never seen anybody discussing these matters suggest that the Talmudic view was that profit is usury. Interest is not profit and the Talmudists and even the authors of the Torah were smart enough to know the difference. Do the Talmudists in