[PEN-L:5507] Re: Clinton Does Suck-- Will Sign Welfare Bill

1996-08-02 Thread glevy
Nathan Newman wrote: > In terms of psychobabble, it's the child of an alcoholic looking for > approval. Sad and opportunistic to work out one's self-esteem problems by > butchering the lives of innocent children. I think we should leave psychobabble to the psychobabblers. Nathan: will the COC

[PEN-L:5508] Re: Clinton Does Suck-- Will Sign Welfare Bill

1996-08-02 Thread Blair Sandler
>I think what motivates Clinton is both fear from having lost his election >in 1980 and an egoistic desire for a landslide "mandate" much as Reagan >had in 1984. No big issues, just a personal stamp of approval by the >populace. > >In terms of psychobabble, it's the child of an alcoholic looking

[PEN-L:5509] [Fwd: Re: op-ed piece]

1996-08-02 Thread Max B. Sawicky
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --7E2599149E0 Attached is an op-ed on welfare by Howard Chernick (Hunter College) based on EPI-sponsored research. Feel free to circulate, and of course do not quote without proper attribution. As soon as I figure out how I will upload th

[PEN-L:5510] Re: progress in economics

1996-08-02 Thread Gil Skillman
Doug writes: >In my high denunciatory mode, I was speaking broadly of the attempt to use >neoclassical technique for allegedly radical goals. Sorry that I lumped you >recklessly with the math mob. I'm still reeling from your assertion that >it's not necessary to read Marx and the classicals. Dou

[PEN-L:5511] Re: Welfare "reform" op-ed piece

1996-08-02 Thread Max B. Sawicky
Gil Skillman wrote: > > A colleague and I are sending the following op-ed piece to the Hartford > Courant. Any comments or suggestions from PENrs before I send it off? > The Welfare "Reform" Bill: Surgery with an Axe > Why are people on welfare? Your column is very good in what it ad

[PEN-L:5513] [SOLUTIONS] Four Ways to Abolish Affirmative Action

1996-08-02 Thread Nathan Newman
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[PEN-L:5512] [SOLUTIONS] Don't Deport Social Security Solution

1996-08-02 Thread Nathan Newman
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[PEN-L:5514] On Sucking

1996-08-02 Thread ZAHNISER STEVEN SCOTT
During the drive to work this morning, I realized that I had been making a mistake in my analysis of Clinton's decision to sign the welfare bill. My initial take was that this was another instance of pandering by Clinton. But then I thought that Clinton has been saying for some time that he was

[PEN-L:5515] Re: Clinton Does Suck-- Will Sign Welfare Bill

1996-08-02 Thread Doug Henwood
At 11:39 PM 8/1/96, Nathan Newman wrote: >I think what motivates Clinton is both fear from having lost his election >in 1980 and an egoistic desire for a landslide "mandate" much as Reagan >had in 1984. No big issues, just a personal stamp of approval by the >populace. > >In terms of psychobabbl

[PEN-L:5516] Re: Gintis and all that

1996-08-02 Thread Eric Nilsson
Blair's response to my previous posting showed that--once again--I failed to be a clear as I should have been. Among other things, Blair rightfully raises questions about implications of my posting I neglected to address. Blair writes, > I was at UMass roughly when Eric was there. At that tim

[PEN-L:5517] We MUST be essentialists

1996-08-02 Thread Eric Nilsson
The ideas below are distinct from those expressed in my previous message. (Question: should we start a new list called Herb-l?) Let me hit the ball in Blair's side of the court for a second. I'm an agnostic humanist: I THINK (but I'm not entirely sure) that capitalism fails to permit people to f

[PEN-L:5518] Re: On Sucking

1996-08-02 Thread glevy
ZAHNISER STEVEN SCOTT wrote: > So, in addition to answering > affirmatively the question "Does Clinton suck," we also should be asking > ourselves "How long has Clinton sucked" and perhaps even "When did he > first know that he sucked." Or better yet, let's stop talking about "sucking" altogethe

[PEN-L:5520] Re: On Sucking

1996-08-02 Thread ZAHNISER STEVEN SCOTT
On Fri, 2 Aug 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Or better yet, let's stop talking about "sucking" altogether. > > Jerry > I apologize to those who were offended by my choice of words. Steven Zahniser [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:5519] Re: Clinton Does Suck-- Will Sign Welfare Bill

1996-08-02 Thread Nathan Newman
The Committees of Correspondence specifically passed a resolution at the national convention in July rejecting an endorsement of Clinton. This was linked to resolutions supporting organizing in bringing together the various third party efforts on the left into a viable electoral alternative. Q

[PEN-L:5522] Re: [SOLUTIONS] Four Ways to Abolish Affirmative Action

1996-08-02 Thread MScoleman
While I concur with the spirit of some of the suggestions put forth in this article -- I strongly OBJECT to the SEXIST nature of the writing. White women with a bachelor's degree make, on average, less than an African American man with a high school diploma. This is not to say that African Ameri

[PEN-L:5521] facts & means vs. values & ends

1996-08-02 Thread GREG RANSOM
A bit of history might give some context to the discussion of difference of understanding between economists who are commonly motivated by a desire to discover a way to make society more meaningful, just, and efficient. Ludwig von Mises began his career as a social reformer, working to do somethi

[PEN-L:5523] Re: Clinton Does Suck-- Will Sign Welfare Bill

1996-08-02 Thread Nathan Newman
On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Doug Henwood wrote: > >In terms of psychobabble, it's the child of an alcoholic looking for > >approval. Sad and opportunistic to work out one's self-esteem problems by > >butchering the lives of innocent children. > > Have you been watching too much daytime TV, Nathan? Cli

[PEN-L:5524] Clinton's history

1996-08-02 Thread ZAHNISER STEVEN SCOTT
On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, Nathan Newman wrote: > Clinton of course has history as President, as well as a history as an > anti-war protester, organizer for the McGovern campaign, and relatively > tough (especially for a Southerner) anti-corporate licymaker in his first > term as Governor in Arkansas

[PEN-L:5525] Re: facts & means vs. values & ends

1996-08-02 Thread PBurns
Here's a fact that those of us who have little time for Hayek and Mises recognize, but which the followers of those two do not. The largest, most sustained, and most widely distributed improvement in living conditions for poor and working people occurred in the least free-market

[PEN-L:5526] Re: facts & means vs. values & ends

1996-08-02 Thread Jay Hanson
At 01:59 PM 8/2/96 -0700, Greg Ransom wrote: >A bit of history might give some context to the >discussion of difference of understanding between >economists who are commonly motivated by a desire to >discover a way to make society more meaningful, >just, and efficient. Ludwig von Mises began his

[PEN-L:5527] UPDATE FROM HAVANA (fwd)

1996-08-02 Thread glevy
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 01:36:45 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UPDATE FROM HAVANA "Community Press in Today's World: Alternative Grass Roots Proposals" Oct 21-25, 1996 Havana, Cuba Come to Cuba and

[PEN-L:5528] UPDATE FROM HAVANA - MORE (fwd)

1996-08-02 Thread glevy
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 01:36:46 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UPDATE FROM HAVANA - MORE Community/Alternative Press Encounter Oct 21-25 Havana, Cuba UPDATE8/1/96 Some of you folks have been asking me

[PEN-L:5529] Re: progress in economics

1996-08-02 Thread DICKENS
This missive is in response to Gil Skillman's explanation of how the notion of scarcity rents is "not inconsistent" with the classical theory of value and distribution. I don't know if its, as Gil says, "the extreme difficulty of making complex positions--especially "controversial" ones--clear in