[PEN-L:10664] Re: French elections

1997-06-07 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 97-06-08 00:48:15 EDT, you write: >I guess I'd say the same thing I said to Doug: Neither local activism nor >national activism changes people's lives without the right politics. Tavis, I don't disagree with you. I certainly think that national organizations without

[PEN-L:10663] Re: Limit the Working Day? *$50 PRIZE!*

1997-06-07 Thread Tom Walker
I'm including all of Bill Lear's attempted rebuttal of the Owen puzzle because it was a valiant effort. Unfortunately, the problem is even trickier than that. Instead of giving the answer, though, I think I'll leave the problem with Pen-lers for a few days and offer a prize of $50 (Canadian) for t

[PEN-L:10662] Correction

1997-06-07 Thread Tom Walker
I apologize for trying to convert chapter numbers from roman numerals directly after returning from a wine bottling expedition. The references for my last message should read: Please see Volume One, Part 5, Chapters 16 and 17 of Capital for an extended discussion of this, particularly section 4 o

[PEN-L:10661] Re: French elections

1997-06-07 Thread Tavis Barr
On Fri, 6 Jun 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I think local activism is important, but it is only part of the answer. > People spend the bulk of their adult lives in unions, and not only do they > not make social change, they vote conservatively. Certainly not all, but > being involved in a l

[PEN-L:10660] another labor film

1997-06-07 Thread Eugene P. Coyle
Playing in your neighborhood right now: " Brassed Off" A british film about the closing of the coal mines by Thatcher. This is really very good. Gene Coyle

[PEN-L:10659] Re: French elections Retitled: Limit the Working Day?

1997-06-07 Thread Shane Mage
Tom is right that the effect on labor cost of production over-all of a decrease in the working time compensated by a proportional increase in the hourly wage is *in principle* indeterminate. However, in reality a decrease in working time in itself must cause an increase in *average* labor-product

[PEN-L:10658] Re: French elections Retitled: Limit the Working Day?

1997-06-07 Thread Colin Danby
I wrote, >>At the level of the individual firm, a reduction in the working day must >>raise labor costs unless wages are proportionately reduced, no? and Tom replied: > Colin, your first premise is mistaken. The relationship between the length > of the working day and labour costs is indetermi

[PEN-L:10657] Reply To Blair

1997-06-07 Thread Shawgi A. Tell
Greetings, On Fri, 6 Jun 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawgi stated: > > How can workers limit the working day if there aren't even any > >mechanisms in society which put them in a position to begin > >making meaningful decisions? What can be achieved by workers so long as > >they remain

[PEN-L:10656] Re: What's driving the unemployment rate?

1997-06-07 Thread Doug Henwood
What's driving U lower? More jobs. Barnet Wagman wrote: >Based on a (very) cursory look at (U.S.) employment stats from the >last couple of months, it appears that the declining unemployment >rate is being driven by the slow growth &| decline of the workforce, >rather than by employment growth.

[PEN-L:10655] Re: French elections

1997-06-07 Thread Doug Henwood
Gerald Levy wrote: >Who are some of these naughty "prominent theorists" who think that >"'unity' is a bad thing"??? Jee, I don't recall any of "our most >prominent" saying that. Well I'd been quoting Judith Butler on that very topic. Here are some excerpts from "Merely Cultural," based on her pl

[PEN-L:10654] World Forum (fwd)

1997-06-07 Thread D Shniad
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[PEN-L:10653] CD on Toxic Substances (fwd)

1997-06-07 Thread D Shniad
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[PEN-L:10652] Re: Bitter Paradise on TV Ontario (fwd)

1997-06-07 Thread D Shniad
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[PEN-L:10651] Re: French elections Retitled: Limit the Working Day?

1997-06-07 Thread Tom Walker
Colin Danby asked >At the level of the individual firm, a reduction in the working day must >raise labor costs unless wages are proportionately reduced, no? I don't >think you want lower wages. What then, do you think the effects of an >increase in labor costs will be on the behavior of an indi

[PEN-L:10650] Re: French elections

1997-06-07 Thread Gerald Levy
Doug Henwood wrote: > In fact, some of our most > prominent political theorists are still developing reasons why "unity" is a > bad thing. Who are some of these naughty "prominent theorists" who think that "'unity' is a bad thing"??? Jee, I don't recall any of "our most prominent" saying that.

[PEN-L:10649] What's driving the unemployment rate?

1997-06-07 Thread Barnet Wagman
Based on a (very) cursory look at (U.S.) employment stats from the last couple of months, it appears that the declining unemployment rate is being driven by the slow growth &| decline of the workforce, rather than by employment growth. Has anyone else noticed this? And is it unusual? I usually

[PEN-L:10648] Re: Limit the Working Day?

1997-06-07 Thread William S. Lear
On Fri, June 6, 1997 at 22:43:02 (-0700) Tom Walker writes: >"For example, if employees work 9 hours a day and the law provides for >time-and-a-half pay after 8 hours, their daily pay is 9.5 times their >standard hourly rate. But if the law is changed so that overtime is paid >after 7 hours, they

[PEN-L:10647] Re: Reply To Tom

1997-06-07 Thread Tom Walker
Shawgi Tell wrote, > Serious social problems cannot be solved if the people are >not in power, if they do not have a real and decisive say in the direction >of society, if they remain disempowered, if they lack sovereignty, if they >merely beg the bourgeoisie for what is rightfully theirs.

[PEN-L:10646] Re: French elections

1997-06-07 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote [responding to me]: >>Practical and theoretical action, at least in >>the U.S., has been focused on developing a micropolitics, but it seems to >>me that unless these atoms talk to each other, dispersion and defeat will >>continue. > >Are we talking party? maggie Yes, I

[PEN-L:10645] Labour Channel Launched on PointCast Network

1997-06-07 Thread Michael Eisenscher
>From: "Seth Wigderson, H-Labor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Labour Channel Launched on PointCast Network >To: Multiple recipients of list H-LABOR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Dear friends, > >I apologize for this form letter, but I wanted to inform quite a few of you >about an exciting new proj

[PEN-L:10644] Re: French elections Retitled: Limit the Working Day?

1997-06-07 Thread Louis N Proyect
Social democracy has to be put into perspective. The gains of reformist governments ultimately are rooted in revolutionary struggles. For example, the film "Adalen 31" (this is probably not available as a video, but it is the ultimate labor history film) depicts a protracted and bloody strike of m

[PEN-L:10643] Re: French elections Retitled: Limit the Working Day?

1997-06-07 Thread Colin Danby
To Louis: Thanks for expanding. Can we push this a bit farther? If I were a social democrat, I might argue as follows. 1. My aim is to raise the wage share of national income within a capitalist economy [let's bracket off state enterprise for now though we might want to come back to it]. 2.

[PEN-L:10642] Reply To Tom

1997-06-07 Thread Shawgi A. Tell
Greetings, On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Tom Walker wrote: > Shawgi, > > You said the people in the U.S. don't hold political power (we were talking > about Canada, but what the hell) and they're extremely unhappy with the > political system. Sure. Tom, the vast majority in the U.K., U.S. and