On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, James Devine wrote:
Now it's true that the USSR-type revolutions have helped _create_ a
proletariat, by pushing industrialization. But that's something that
capitalism does too.
This is the central feature of 20th century revolutions: They tend to
occur in peasant
I agree with what Harry said to John Gulick about the labor-power market in
the old USSR: it existed. Of course, the labor market was different in the
USSR. See below.
I see the non-existence of commodity production (and its replacement by
production for the plan) and the state monopoly of the
Dear PEN-Lers:
I would like to thank Maggie Coleman, Geoff Schneider, Larry Shute, and
Ellen Starbird for their thoughtful suggestions about how to cope with a
long class session. Below is a distillation of their ideas, as well as a
summary of what I actually did.
Maggie suggested that I
= This relates to that unionization vote held at the Hyundai
maquiladora in Tijuana on Monday.
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The elections board is scheduled to reconvene Thursday, Oct. 9. There is no
way of knowing when or if they will announce the
What does Mankiw's text actually say? I was under the impression that
Mankiw was somewhat ecclectic in his macro-thinking. Has anyone taken a
look at it or even used it in a class?
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Jim Devine:
State-owned property does not make a society proletarian. After all, the
Pharoah owned the means of production in ancient Egypt. He was hardly
proletarian.
"Expropriation of the bourgeoisie" is necessary but not sufficient to make
a revolution "proletarian," since the state
Doug Henwood:
Of course South Korean growth wouldn't have been possible without support
from the U.S., and even before the Vietnam war - Korean firms learned how
to do large construction projects in part by building bases for the U.S.
military in Korea itself. I share your admiration of Cuba,
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Bill Burguess writes:
An example of how attention to Hegel helps is Mike Lebowitz's
Tomatoes and tomahtoes are the same no? Domination is the
constraint on desire. Capital (dead labor) is a constraint on the working
class (living labor +). The argument is that you can't really even
understand domination/constraint unless you understand the autonomous
force (living labor,
She was renominated. It was just that the nomination was late, toward
the end of August. No reason that I know of was ever given for the
delay. Nor is it clear that there is any real opposition -- the Repubs
haven't been focusing on this either. In a way it IS very mysterious.
I just do not
Louis Proyect wrote:
Yes, this is the analysis and it is faulty. This type of analysis can not
distinguish between North Korea and South Korea. Both have extensive
state-owned industry and employ various forms of planning. The difference
is that the North had a proletarian revolution and
Why did Clinton not renominate K.A.? Was it because she had more of a
spine about the CPI than he did?
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There are many who say that the fall of the Soviet Union was
the consequence of bad policy. That is the sum total of their
political analysis explaining why the Soviet Union collapsed. Some
people blame the policies of Gorbachov, some people blame
Khrushchev. They even make a fetish of
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Harry Cleaver:
Raya's
analysis of the Soviet 5-year plans concluded that they were very much
geared to as rapid accumulation as possible at the expense of workers and
peasants, thus effectively "for profit" --understood as surplus labor and
surplus value-- while minimizing the meeting of worker
Harry Cleaver:
Although I might not put it in the same words, I don't object to
this kind of description, except that it leaves too much out and, in
particular, the analysis of some of the behaviors refered to. For example,
it seems to me that if the "message has an enormous appeal", then it
On Monday, October 6, Metro-Toronto affiliates of the five teachers
associations in Ontario staged a massive rally at Maple Leaf Gardens to
protest Bill 160, the Education Quality Improvement Act. By the time the
rally started at 7pm, the arena, which seats 18,000 people, was packed to
overflow.
Doug Henwood:
Yes, and South Korea generated one of the great booms in economic history,
while North Korea is suffering from famine and under the influence of a
truly bizarre personality cult. Now I know that the NY Times is often full
of lies, and no doubt Shawgi Tell will set us straight on
Louis Proyect wrote:
Woudld the South Korean boom have been possible without mammoth support
from the US, especially during the Vietnam war? The problem with gauging
economic success is that there is no such thing as capitalism in one
country. Yugoslavia was a success in the 1950s and early 60s
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Louis writes:
The
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Louis Proyect wrote:
Mann is a "neo-Weberian" supposedly who
In a revolting editorial disguised as a book review, the Wall Street
Journal today published, on p. A18, the thoughts of Mark Skousen, who
celebrates Mankiw's new textbook as a "counterrevolutionary" work which
"defeats" Keynesianism and puts "classical economics back at the
forefront, where it
Louis Proyect wrote:
The problem in making any kind of comparison at all in this context is that
is altogether impossible to isolate the countries in question from the Cold
War and its impact on economic development. For example, on the face of it
West Germany "proves" that capitalism is
Louis writes Woudld the South Korean boom have been possible without
mammoth support from the US...? The problem with gauging economic success
is that there is no such thing as capitalism in one country. Yugoslavia was
a success in the 1950s and early 60s for reasons that had little to do with
As far as bizarre personality cults are concerned, you should not
forget that Reverend Moon is one of the most powerful political and
industrial leaders in South Korea.
Louis Proyect
Robert Parry has a wonderful series on the bizarrities of Rev. Moon and his
coterie: Wierd Sex, drugs, and
Harry's comment was bounced by the pen-l server, but I think you can get
what he said from below.
Harry writes": Can you be more specific about the "non-determinist
interpretations" [of historical materialism or "HM"] you refer to above? ...
As you might guess, I'd cite Mike Lebowitz's work
I asked: in what sense was the NKorean revolution "proletarian"?
Louis answers: North Korea was a proletarian revolution in the same sense
that the Vietnamese or the Chinese revolution were.
That doesn't help, since those revolutions can be analyzed in exactly the
same way as I did the Kim il
At 07:14 PM 10/9/97 -0400, you wrote:
John, this didn't get to the list. Why don't you post it there and I might
reply.
Lou
On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, john gulick wrote:
You sez:
Could you possibly be referring to Michael Mann?
I sez:
Most of what little I know about popular support for
Louis sez:
It is
altogether likely that the peasant-led socialist revolutions can no longer
succeed. That is the opinion of people like Victor Tirado, the
disillusioned Sandinista leader.
I sez:
It seems that one reason why many ex-socialist revolutionaries in Central
and Latin America (and by
Ricardo D. wrote
My problem with this is that adding "sides" to an argument does not
constitute by itself a dialectical approach. Marxist have the wrong
habit of thinking that if they connects "x" to "y", then they are
dialectical. Moreover, how many sides does one incorporate
Louis N Proyect wrote:
This is the central feature of 20th century revolutions: They tend to
occur in peasant nations and they are caused by the miseries of
colonialism and neocolonialism. Once the comprador bourgeoisie is
overthrown and the imperialist bourgeosie is beaten back, the Communist
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