[PEN-L:935] (Fwd) August 16 : Statement From Listuguj

1998-08-18 Thread James Michael Craven
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:14:44 -0700 (PDT) From: John Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: August 16 : Statement From Listuguj -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:19:47

[PEN-L:936] (Fwd) Listaguj Mi'gmaq Barricades Remain

1998-08-18 Thread James Michael Craven
--- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: John Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Listaguj Mi'gmaq Barricades Remain *CBC National News at 7:00 PM Pacific time, reported that the barricades

[PEN-L:937] query: Men/women earnings studies

1998-08-18 Thread Fellows, Jeffrey
Pen-lers: Does anyone know of a good and recent study of earnings differences between men and women related to both occupational tracking and pay descrimination (comparable worth)? Jeff

[PEN-L:938] teenage rebellion (was: Cigarettes Are Sublime)

1998-08-18 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 08:49 AM 8/14/98 -0700, Jim Devine wrote: I think a major problem with fighting cig-addiction is the basic human problem of lack of communication between adults and teenagers (and of course, pre-teens). If we can ever figure out the solution, stuff like cigarettes and body piercing will

[PEN-L:941] teenage rebellion(was: Re: Cigarettes Are Sublime)

1998-08-18 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 12:05 PM 8/14/98 -0400, Doug Henwood asked: And what's wrong with teenage rebellion? and NOT a class based movement. It is based on cultural identities, which are manufactured by the entertainmemnt industry, and not on class interests and class solidarity. Working-class teens rebel

[PEN-L:942] what are we doing here?

1998-08-18 Thread michael
Jim Devine sent notes to pen-l lbo-talk regarding the current devaluation. He got no response here and set off a lively debate there. Ever since the Great Bhoddi debate began we have been stuck in the mud -- so to speak. If economists are to have any use at all to society, it would be when

[PEN-L:943] Re: what are we doing here?

1998-08-18 Thread valis
It really sort of breaks my heart to see Michael P ask, for the second or third time, a question that ought not to be arising here at all. Well, I'm just a tolerated pseudonymous, non-economist lurker myself, but below I repeat the forwarding I posted a few days back, which is on approximately

[PEN-L:945] Re: what are we doing here?

1998-08-18 Thread Christopher Roberts
On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If economists are to have any use at all to society, it would be when the economy experiences turmoil. The level of economic turbulence may be as high as it has ever been since the time of the Great Depression. (The immediate post war chaos

[PEN-L:946] Re: Re: 3 Articles on Russia - Fred Weir, Reuters

1998-08-18 Thread Doug Henwood
Rob Schaap wrote: And why's the DJI surging? America, island of stability. Safe port in a storm. Haven of refuge. Oh, it feels so good to live here! Doug

[PEN-L:950] Re: teenage rebellion

1998-08-18 Thread valis
Quoth Doug, in part: There are rockers, rappers, and zinesters all over the USA who are about a lot more than mere consumption. Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz, author of the political memoir Red Dirt, talks about all kinds of rebels in rural Oklahoma, kids who are the unacknowledged descendants of the

[PEN-L:952] Re: what are we doing...2

1998-08-18 Thread valis
Rob Schaap concludes: It is good that we can engage in this ideological dialogue among ourselves here. But if we aren't willing to think the whole process out and consider social forces that will get in the way of any progressive social transformation, then we are merely pontificating among

[PEN-L:955] Re: Re: Re: Clinton's speech

1998-08-18 Thread James Michael Craven
G'day Rob, I agree with what you are saying. And further, I must say that I believe that Monica was--from what I can see and with the caveat I may be wrong and am open to counter-evidence/argument--a calculating opportunist, sycophant and "player" trying to cut corners with networking and

[PEN-L:956] Re: Re: sell-out Indians and western arrogance

1998-08-18 Thread Louis Proyect
Ricardo Duchesne: Raising an important point here, which I will return to later. For now, bands and tribes were quite democratic in their form of polity, but because there was no "discourse" behind such form they have been portrayed as "unreflective". Even as the Romans entered into

[PEN-L:957] Correction Clinton's speech

1998-08-18 Thread James Michael Craven
correction: shouold read NOT free on line 7 para 3 On 18 Aug 98 at 10:14, James Michael Craven wrote: G'day Rob, I agree with what you are saying. And further, I must say that I believe that Monica was--from what I can see and with the caveat I may be wrong and am open to

[PEN-L:960] Re: Re: sell-out Indians and western arrogance

1998-08-18 Thread Louis Proyect
Ricardo: Simply the Hegelian term for the so-called peoples "without history". Oh, why didn't you say that you take Hegel's racist crap seriously. That explains everything. Louis Proyect (http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html)

[PEN-L:961] Re: Re: Re: sell-out Indians and western arrogance

1998-08-18 Thread James Michael Craven
On 18 Aug 98 at 13:17, Louis Proyect wrote: Ricardo Duchesne: Raising an important point here, which I will return to later. For now, bands and tribes were quite democratic in their form of polity, but because there was no "discourse" behind such form they have been portrayed as

[PEN-L:965] Re: Re: 3 Articles on Russia - Fred Weir, Reuters

1998-08-18 Thread Louis Proyect
Barkley Rosser wrote: Only a few Latin American and Southeast Asian markets dropped because of the Russian devaluation (the "borscht effect"?). I was under the impression that the problems in Russia are the effect rather than the cause of anything going on in Southeast Asia. Louis

[PEN-L:966] Re: Fw: info on grad programs in public policy?

1998-08-18 Thread Michael Eisenscher
Kennedy School at Harvard. U/Mass-Amherst. U/Mass-Boston (doctoral program) U/Mass-Amherst/Meany Institute Masters in Labor Studies At 01:58 PM 8/18/1998 -0500, Robert Naiman wrote: --- On Tue, 18 Aug 98 13:50:52 -0800 Mark Weisbrot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pen-l-ers, Does anyone

[PEN-L:967] Re: Re: 3 Articles on Russia - Fred Weir, Reuters

1998-08-18 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Just because the Southeast Asian collapse triggered the Russian collapse doesn't mean that the effects can't go the other way as well. Heck, why should Mexico and Brazil drop because of Russia? They are farther away than is Southeast Asia. We do live in a globally integrated

[PEN-L:968] Residential school resistance

1998-08-18 Thread Louis Proyect
[J. R. Miller, "Shingwauk's Vision," pp. 360-362] Within the walls of the schools themselves, disgruntled students were most likely to indicate their unhappiness with ridicule and a lack of cooperation. One practice that residential school students shared with pupils everywhere was the use of

[PEN-L:972] Re: Re: Re: 3 Articles on Russia

1998-08-18 Thread Martin Hart-Landsberg
What I find interesting is that as countries throughout the world fall into crisis, highlighting the fact that capitalism (in many different forms) is increasingly unable to deliever any kind of stability much less growth much less human satisfaction, mainstream analysts continue to try and

[PEN-L:973] Re: Re: Re: Re: 3 Articles on Russia

1998-08-18 Thread Gary Dymski
Martin's observations (reprinted below) on the skepticism of many Korean people about the market as a solution is right on the money. Jim Crotty and I had a chance to visit Korea in March, and have followed events closely since, and we saw precisely this view -- and even the willingness to

[PEN-L:974] korea/russia questions

1998-08-18 Thread michael perelman
Korean workers seem to be far more daring than the Russians, except for the workers located far from centers of power [miners]. Am I wrong here? Martin or Gary, could you explain why the police backed down at Hyundai? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico,

[PEN-L:969] Re: 3 Articles on Russia

1998-08-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] [130.179.16.47]
Surely the most destabilizing aspect of the current Russian collapse on top of the continuing crisis in Asia is the demonstrated abject failure of the IMF bailouts and the structural adjustment (Washington) model, a model so recently rejected in toto by Stiglitz as V-P of the World Bank. In

[PEN-L:964] Re: 3 Articles on Russia - Fred Weir, Reuters

1998-08-18 Thread Rosser Jr, John Barkley
Only a few Latin American and Southeast Asian markets dropped because of the Russian devaluation (the "borscht effect"?). The Washington Post claims that this shows that Russia really is a totally unimportant third rate economy with only about a twentieth of the GDP of the US and less

[PEN-L:962] Re: Re: Re: Re: sell-out Indians and westernarrogance

1998-08-18 Thread Louis Proyect
"A people without history is like the wind on the buffalo grass." -- Lakota saying Louis Proyect (http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html)

[PEN-L:959] Re: sell-out Indians and western arrogance

1998-08-18 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:17:48 -0400 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:956] Re: Re: sell-out Indians and western arrogance Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ricardo Duchesne: Raising an important point here, which I

[PEN-L:958] Fw: info on grad programs in public policy?

1998-08-18 Thread Robert Naiman
--- On Tue, 18 Aug 98 13:50:52 -0800 Mark Weisbrot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pen-l-ers, Does anyone have the scoop on decent masters' degree programs in the public policy area? A friend is looking for something that would be interesting politically, not just the standard junk. A

[PEN-L:954] Re: sell-out Indians and western arrogance

1998-08-18 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:31:28 -0400 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:928] Re: Re: sell-out Indians and western arrogance Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ricardo Duchesne: RD: Ok, Craven, if it fits your political

[PEN-L:947] Re: teenage rebellion(was: Re: Cigarettes Are Sublime)

1998-08-18 Thread Doug Henwood
Wojtek Sokolowski wrote: So what's wrong with the teenage rebellion is that it is about consumption rather than challenging capitalism. It's about a lot of things. William Finnegan's piece in the New Yorker last year about that godforsaken distant LA suburb - which is in a recently published

[PEN-L:948] Re: what are we doing here?

1998-08-18 Thread James Michael Craven
Response: At the risk of starting another flame war and without implying in any way that struggles of Indigenous Peoples or the Political Economy of Indian Country are the only--or even the most "important"--issues worth discussing, nevertheless some issues, concepts and references provoking

[PEN-L:944] Re: Clinton's speech

1998-08-18 Thread James Michael Craven
On 18 Aug 98 at 7:39, James Devine wrote: I liked that bit about Hillary's "Republican cloth coat." and I'm glad he's going to keep the dog. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://clawww.lmu.edu/Departments/ECON/jdevine.html Add to this list of types of individuals who loved Clinton's

[PEN-L:940] Clinton's speech

1998-08-18 Thread James Devine
I liked that bit about Hillary's "Republican cloth coat." and I'm glad he's going to keep the dog. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://clawww.lmu.edu/Departments/ECON/jdevine.html