Clinton OKs Chinese Rocket Launch
WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Clinton removed
the last roadblock Monday from the launch of a
Chinese rocket carrying a satellite into space
next
month for the U.S.-led
Just so people know,
Michael Bliss (see article below) is a right-wing history professor (or as many
of us on the local activist scene like to label him - the myth maker of Western
civilization) at the University of Toronto. The article is written for a
right-wing newspaper, which is owner by a r
Drudge Report:
In Beijing on Tuesday, Chinese Vice-Premier Qian Qichen told the Russian
President's special envoy for Yugoslavia Viktor Chernomyrdin that China
and Russia share identical views on many issues including Kosovo,
according to Chinese news reports. Views that were shared during a
telep
First, I really appreciate your bringing this to pen-l; that type of
outreach is a big step in the right direction. I think I speak for many
others when I say that, overall, I have little reason to regard myself
as a "citizen" of the economics profession -- and this exclusion is NOT
my doing. Th
Two quick responses to the issue about stability raised by Michael:
1. I'm a cross-section rather than time series person -- that's what I
know and feel comfortable defending. In fact, on exactly Michael's
grounds I feel less persuaded by time series work in general. But, as
the next point will
There are certainly many different hypotheses to explain the bombing. Serb Info
has one that has not appeared here. It is advanced by a professor in Germany
reputed to be an expert on intelligence issues. He claims that the bombing was
deliberate and no mistake. Why? The G8
peace proposals are not
In a message dated 5/10/99 11:26:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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Peter took exception to my dismissal of econometrics. I guess that I
side with Keynes in this regard. People on PKT are familiar with the
problems of statistical analysis. In particular, you have to assume
that the underlying system is stable. In addition, even if it is
stable, we still have t
IN THIS MESSAGE: POST-WAR DISILLUSIONMENT AHEAD; Yugoslav Army Orders Kosovo
Pullout; Chicano POWs Return; Clinton Quest for Appearance of Victory
The National Post Monday, May 10, 1999
POST-WAR DISILLUSIONMENT AHEAD
We've reached such a level of callousne
Barkley,
Let's assume that NATO planners have a standing order not to bomb
diplomatic missions. That is what their spin-doctors are saying was the
case. One could presume then that they would have plotted every off-limits
site (embassies, churches, hospitals, historic sites, etc.) in the normal
DEAN BAKER ON
John Markoff
New York Times, May 3, 1999, page C1
This article reports on a new product that will facilitate the transfer
of music over the Internet. It also
documents the efforts that the recording industry is taking to prevent
this technology from spreading,
including a court su
Michael,
I agree with you that it was not econometrics but
policy experience that did in monetarism. However,
the Volcker experiment did not disprove monetarism.
It just showed that vigorous monetarism can be so
painful in the short run that policymakers may not
have the stomach for it, espec
OK. Since lots of people on these lists
seem to think that it is not silly to contemplate
that the US government or elements within the
US government consciously targeted the Chinese
embassy in Belgrade for bombing, I take it back
and apologize to anybody who was offended by
my use of such t
-Original Message-
From: Craven, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 4:54 PM
Subject: RE: [PEN-L:6594] Re: Re: china vs. nato
>Barkley,
>
>I just finished one-and-a-half hours of three-hours being interviewed (on
>genocide and t
Five Chinese student organizations at the Ohio State University organized a
mass demonstration at the Ohio State House on High Street, between Broad
and State Streets. The demonstration took place from 12:00 noon until 2:30
PM today (Monday, May 10). About 130 people showed up--our biggest demo so
> REP. JACKSON JR. OFFERS HOPE FOR U.S. TRADE POLICY
>
> (Seattle Post-Intelligencer; 04/28/99)
>
>
>
> Over the past two decades, the world's largest banks and corporations
>have
>forged a global economy. They wrote the rules and called the plays. They
>formed
Tom,
Actually what I think is interesting is the rare
occasions when econometric studies actually
raise questions about standard stories. This does
not happen very often, as mainstreamers are
very good at ignoring or dismissing on a variety
of grounds such studies (and your arguments
certainl
It doesn't make me happy to see such sweeping attacks on econometrics on
pen-l. Yes, many studies are utterly dependent on problematic (and
question-begging) assumptions stuffed into the model. Yes, there is
mindless worship of technique. Yes, there is an imbalance between the
credence given ec
LONDON, May 9 (Itar-Tass)
Nevertheless, some specialists believe that the strike on the Chinese
embassy suddently exposed the existence of "a special direction" in the war against
Yugoslavia, which is conducted only by the United States and has aims, different from
those proclaimed by the NATO
Volume 17 of the R.P.E. has just been published. Contents are below.
Contents for prior issues are on the web site, as are ordering instructions
and links to other progressive web sites.
Submissions for Volume 18 are now welcome, either by e-mail attachment or
printed (in triplicate).
Elsevie
Your Russian wife ought to know.
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote:
> Henry,
> My Russian wife believes that it was an
> intelligence coup by the Yugoslavs, that they
> have an agent in the CIA who fed the error to
> the mapmakers to get the Chinese angry at
> the US (which obviously has happe
I don't know why NATO bombed the embassy. I am willing to accept
incompetence as a cause, but I don't know. We probably never will
because 50 years from now, the documents will still be kept secret. So
much for democracy!
The article below is not too bad on the issue of government secrecy.
ht
Michael wrote:
>I disagree with what Jim Devine wrote: >> One controversy I can think of
is that concerning monetarism.<<
>I don't think that econometrics did it in.
>> The classical monetarism of the MF and the like indicates that the
demand for money (and thus velocity) is stable and that th
Michael,
They did not ask "where is the Chinese embassy?"
because that was not the target they were looking for
and their out-of-date maps had it way in another part
of town. They were looking for another target that
physically resembles the embassy and is very near it.
Do you imagine
To DiNardo:
Another issue that probably should be dealt
with is the whole struggle between the structural
model crowd who wants a clear theory base versus
the atheoretical time series crowd (who seem to
have gotten the upper hand recently).
Also, although it has been beaten on before
in
In U.S. law, "mistakes" or "accidents" are called negligence or recklessness. But
lack of intentionality is not a total escape from culpability or liability. For
purposes of determining the latter, one Justice said, one is presumed to intend the
necessary and foreseeable consequences of one's
Henry,
My Russian wife believes that it was an
intelligence coup by the Yugoslavs, that they
have an agent in the CIA who fed the error to
the mapmakers to get the Chinese angry at
the US (which obviously has happened).
Actually I think that is more likely than
the idea that there is a
This is a test message to see if I am online to pen-l from my Clark address
from where I was banned from contacting pen-l until the feudal fascists in
the admin were forced to eat it due to righteous and swift responses from
freedom-loving academics far and wide--to whom I am very grateful.
On t
I disagree with what Jim Devine wrote:
> One controversy I can think of is that concerning monetarism.
I don't think that econometrics did it in.
> The classica monetarism of the MF and the like indicates that the demand for
> money (and
> thus velocity) is stable and that the supply of money i
Hey, we got Chayanov curves too.
Charles Brown
>>> Tom Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/10/99 12:43PM >>>
Considering that practical, epistemological and ontological critiques of
econometrics slide off the teflon sub-discipline like so much water off a
duck's back, I guess the only thing left woul
Without econometrics, I doubt if I could argue that homicide was related to
poverty and income inequality instead of race and "southern culture."
Getting past the latter two myths is difficult enough as it is. Thankfully,
there is decent theory behind the empirical relationships, including how one
1) CROATIA
The New York Times, October 28, 1995
U.S. Cooling Ties to Croatia After Winking at Its Buildup
By ROGER COHEN
On March 24, 1994, Gojko Susak, the Croatian Defense Minister, wrote to the
Pentagon appealing for assistance. "Our goal," he wrote, was the peaceful
transition of the Cr
Yeah, I called this one. Big surprise.
It may well turn out that the impact of Clinton's
idiotic policies on US/Chinese relations may
be more destructive and dangerous in the long
run than on US/Russian relations, which have not
been so hot either.
Barkley Rosser
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Michael writes:>Can anyone name a major controversy that econometrics has
settled? Jim Devine noted that we don't ever have proofs. My own feeling
is that econometrics has diverted us from areas of research that would
teach us more.<
One controversy I can think of is that concerning monetarism.
Barkley, we all know that scatter diagrams only show bivariate
relationships. We also know the limits of scatter diagrams.
Jeffrey said that econometrics allows him to argue that poverty and income
inequality instead of race and "southern culture" cause homicides.
My question would be how convi
Great job of collecting information. I was surprised to see that they
might be involved in ROTC. Makes me think back to the 60s.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
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Foreign Policy in Focus
Vol. 4, No. 14
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Engleman's essay discusses world population growth and its relationship
to localized and global
environmental problems, including women's economic, health and education
issue
I, too, wonder if it was a mistake. A couple of ideas crossed my mind: First, that
the US had the idea that Milosevic was sheltering at the Chinese embassy and wanted
to, if not kill him, at least terrify him. My second idea is worse, that the Pentagon
deliberately did this provocation in ca
Jim Devine wrote:
>I think this is unfair.
>
>I don't think that econometrics can "prove" anything (since we can't really
>do controlled experiments) -- and it's very hard to show that one theory is
>empirically superior to another. However, if we want to make assertions
>about regularities in e
I think this is unfair.
I don't think that econometrics can "prove" anything (since we can't really
do controlled experiments) -- and it's very hard to show that one theory is
empirically superior to another. However, if we want to make assertions
about regularities in economic behavior, it's us
The simple fact of the matter is that most people don't have enough time to sit
down and spend hours following and pondering the math used in most journal
articles. It's just wonderful for a small number of specialists. The question
is just how long will the general public pay for symbolic an
It may not be that simple. I suggest that just like Watergate, or the
Zimmermann telegram over Mexico, the origin of the "mistake" was very
complex, having to do with forces within the US government wanting to
torpedo Clinton's China policy. It is credible that the White
House/National Security
>From: "Craven, Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [PEN-L:6554] Was it a mistake?
>Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 07:31:40 -0700
>X-RCPT-TO: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Robert:
>
>I was on the phone last night with someone who was 25 years in intelligence
>wor
>It seems that China is angry because the highly touted CIA cannot read
>street maps, which clearly show the Chinese embassy, while the US is
>angry because China has been able to discover top secret information.
>Does anybody else find this imbalance curious?
>
>--
>Michael Perelman
Not really.
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Date: 5/8/99 11:48:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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IMPORTANT INTERNAL DOCUMENTS FROM GERMANY'S FOREIGN OFFICE
NY Times, May 10, 1999
THE SERBS
Torn by War, a Town Works to Recover
By STEVEN ERLANGER
PODUJEVO, YUGOSLAVIA -- Three months ago, Milos Savic was frantic. He had
been stopped at a checkpoint by the Kosovo Liberation Army close to this
northern Kosovo city and dragged out of his car at gunpoin
Michael, I pulled this off of the Counterpunch page but have seen it on
other anti war web sites. I think it comes from Yug sources. I thought
your list might be interested. - Sam
COUNT:
The Civilian
Casualties
of Nato's
Bombing
During the first month of the war on Yugoslavia, t
Considering that practical, epistemological and ontological critiques of
econometrics slide off the teflon sub-discipline like so much water off a
duck's back, I guess the only thing left would be a cultural anthropology
that relates econometrics to other methods of pseudo-scientific divination
li
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Editor: Tom Barry
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The Progressive Response is a publication of Foreign Policy In Fo
> BLS DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, MAY 7, 1999
>
> RELEASED TODAY: Employment rose in April, and the unemployment rate was
> essentially unchanged at 4.3 percent. Nonfarm payroll employment grew by
> 234,000. Job gains occurred throughout the service-producing sector, but
> losses continued in manufa
At 12:08 AM 5/9/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Jim D, thanks for your great post on Brenner. I was going to put together a
>reply but I don't really disagree much.I would just add that the Fine article
>does the value-theoretic critique of Brenner (Rakesh B will like this
article.)
you're welcome. I'll ha
Can an econometric exercise ever produce anything more than a hint of an
interesting idea? I suspect that a skillful econometrician can find a
relationship
between any two arbitrary data sets.
As econometric techniques become more sophisticated, become more
brittle.
How is a sophisticated econo
While I have no doubt that Jim Craven's contact provided this information,
the argument is just plain unbelievable. The US has satellites that they
claim can pinpoint a terrorist picking his nose while riding a camel across
an Iraqi desert, but it can't find an embassy of a major global protagoni
Chinese press reports Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman announces that
China, in view of current situations, has suspended all talks whith the
US on human rights, postponed all contacts and exchanges with the US
military and suspended talks on nuclear non-proliferation, arms
reduction and interna
Yahoo! News
Top Stories Headlines
Monday May 10 6:21 AM ET
U.S. Says Jets Attack North Iraqi Air Defenses
ANKARA (Reuters) - U.S. warplanes based in southern Turkey hit Iraqi
artillery and co
It seems that China is angry because the highly touted CIA cannot read
street maps, which clearly show the Chinese embassy, while the US is
angry because China has been able to discover top secret information.
Does anybody else find this imbalance curious?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
Milano, 10 May 1999
the Luddites were active exactly within the French Revolution/Napoleon
period, that is between 1785-1812. After the defeat of Napoleon I they mor
or less gradually ceased all existence.
There is a very good book written by a couple of italian authors, which
gets rid of all co
Monday May 10 1999
The Embassy Bombing
Marchers try to
break down
consulate door
MATTHEW MILLER in Guangzhou
Protests turned violent in Guangzhou last night
as demonstra
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