[PEN-L:7806] Maoist Economics

1999-06-07 Thread Sam Pawlett
Rakesh Bhandari wrote: > > Has anyone read Stephen Andors' or John Gurley's defenses of Maoist > economic strategy? Or Michel Chossudovsky's appraisal? Mark Selden's or > Victor Nee's? From an impossible to get edition of Root and Branch: A > Libertarian Marxist Journal 8, Bill Russell argues tha

[PEN-L:7799] RE: charging for email?

1999-06-07 Thread Max Sawicky
There is no Congressman Schnell. The title "Bill 602P" is not the way bills are labeled. There is no Stepp in the DC yellow pages. Any tax would go to the Feds, not the Post Office. The last thing Congress is interested in these days is a new tax, possibly excepting one on tobacco. The PO run

[PEN-L:7814] Daring the list

1999-06-07 Thread Brad De Long
>Brad, the chief point I wanted to make was >that such debates are pointless. I and >many others on the list do not accept your data. I have no "data" for you to accept. No one does. The Mao-Liu-Chou regime established at the Lushan Plenum had a strong interest in there being no data. It made

[PEN-L:7800] THE OTHER WAR CRIMINAL: BILL CLINTON

1999-06-07 Thread Michael Perelman
The San Jose Mercury News June 3, 1999 THE OTHER WAR CRIMINAL: BILL CLINTON By Alexander Cockburn Compared to Bill Clinton and his accomplices, Slobodan Milosevic is a piker when it comes to war crimes. Take Iraq. The sanctions impos

[PEN-L:7798] Chinese military gains in domestic power

1999-06-07 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
Military voice grows louder in spat with US By Cary Huang - Hong Kong Standard. STORY: THE Cox Committee report and Nato's bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade will strengthen the military's political influence in Beijing. Both events have fuelled anti-US

[PEN-L:7793] Re: Re: RE: Daring the list

1999-06-07 Thread Charles Brown
I agree with Brad D.'s discussion below substantially more than with his other discussion in this area of giant body counts, although of course the issue below is hypothetical. So I mean I agree with his thinking the whole matter through more completely. I am glad to see he thinks out this aspe

[PEN-L:7792] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Daring the list

1999-06-07 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
Carrol makes a very important point. Revolution is not comparative shopping. Jim, although, I think, is stressing the importance of context in judging the desirability or sppropriateness of various permutations of social engineering. As I pointed out before, bothe demcracy and capitalislism had b

[PEN-L:7796] Progressive Response

1999-06-07 Thread Interhemispheric Resource Center
--- The Progressive Response 7 June 1999 Vol. 3, No. 20 Editor: Tom Barry --- The Progressive Response (PR) is a weekly service of Foreign P

[PEN-L:7788] Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Daring the list

1999-06-07 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
Jim Devine wrote: > I would guess (95 percent probability) that Brad would oppose neoliberalism, > favoring some kind of social democracy instead. I doubt (85 percent > probability) that he favors of classic social democracy (with a mass labor > movement linked to a political party, plus a full

[PEN-L:7797] charging for email?

1999-06-07 Thread DOUG ORR
Has anyone heard anything about this, or is it another fake rumor running around the net? Doug Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- From: Vasilios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Vasilios (Work) Kalaitzidis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: E-Mail Tax Date: Saturday, May 2

[PEN-L:7787] Re: Re: Re: RE: Daring the list

1999-06-07 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
Brad De Long wrote: > > Long-term violent and starvation deaths (say, between 1945 and 1990) had the > Stalin regime collapsed in the summer of 1942, and had the U.S. and Britain then > made a separate peace with the Nazis--settling for Nazi abandonment of the > alliance with Japan and withdraw

[PEN-L:7785] Re: How Habermas Defends the Balkan War

1999-06-07 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
>From another list: At 11:08 AM 6/7/99 -0700, you wrote: >Hello all, > > Following is the link to an article about Jurgen >Habermas's defense of the Balkan war. It is from the World Socialist >website. If you are unable to access the article online, please send me >your e-mail and I

[PEN-L:7786] BLS Daily Report

1999-06-07 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, THURSDAY, JUNE 3, 1999 Congress should change labor laws to protect temporary workers from exploitation by business, according to a report by the 2030 Center, a Washington, D.C., think tank that focuses on economic issues for young adults. The report, "When Good Jobs Go Bad," a

[PEN-L:7790] Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Daring the list

1999-06-07 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: > Henry wrote: >The larger issue is whether neo-liberalism is more humane and > effective than socialism as an economic alternative for the world as a > whole. ...< > [SNIP]Those who favor capitalism would argue that we need to bring in the > issue of "what kind of capitalism

[PEN-L:7794] Henry, please let's quiet this down

1999-06-07 Thread Michael Perelman
Henry, I agreed with everything you said until you changed your tone at the end. > So Professor DeLong's allegations about are neither scientific nor convincing. When you write like that, Brad will, understandably respond in a tone that will offend you. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department

[PEN-L:7795] FW: Liberalism: Classical or Neo, Same Shit

1999-06-07 Thread Craven, Jim
> -Original Message- > From: Craven, Jim > Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 1:15 PM > To: Craven, Jim > Subject: Liberalism: Classical or Neo, Same Shit > > From "Year 501: The Conquest Continues" by Noam Chomsky, South End Press, > Boston, 1993 > > "Adam Smith may have eloquen

[PEN-L:7783] BLS Daily Report

1999-06-07 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, JUNE 4, 1999 RELEASED TODAY: The unemployment rate, at 4.2 percent, was little changed in May. The number of nonfarm payroll jobs edged up by 11,000, following a large increase of 343,000 in April (as revised). In May, substantial job losses occurred in manufacturin

[PEN-L:7782] Re: Re: RE: Daring the list

1999-06-07 Thread Henry C.K. Liu
The larger issue is whether neo-liberalism is more humane and effective than socialism as an economic alternative for the world as a whole. Since the 80s,the question is invariably framed, with the shift in the intellectual establishment toward TINA (there is no alterantive), as a meritorious just

[PEN-L:7779] "Kosovar Attack on Gypsies Reveals Desire for Revenge" (from NYT)

1999-06-07 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
What do you think of the following article--both its content and the very fact that the New York Times printed it? Doesn't it say something about both the nature of Albanian 'nationalism' a la KLA _and_ how NATO is planning to treat Albanians (that is, not as "innocent victims" of the media covera

[PEN-L:7781] Palestinian political economy

1999-06-07 Thread Mathew Forstater
Can any list members put me in touch with progressive economists/organizations with a knowledge of the Palestinian political economy? Ideally, e-mail address or fax no. Thanks, Mat Forstater

[PEN-L:7791] which socialism?

1999-06-07 Thread Jim Devine
(subject line was: [PEN-L:7790] Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Daring the list) I wrote:>>Those who favor socialism should similarly ask: "what kind of socialism?" I, for one, do not favor bureaucratic socialism (BS), though it's hard to...<< Carrol writes: >This won't do. I treats social systems as thoug

[PEN-L:7789] Re: Re: Re: RE: Daring the list

1999-06-07 Thread Michael Perelman
Brad, the chief point I wanted to make was that such debates are pointless. I and many others on the list do not accept your data. In addition, the weighting is questionable. All the deaths are due to Stalin; all the good to the soldiers and workers, as you say below. I do not mean to defend S

[PEN-L:7784] Re: Re: Re: RE: Daring the list

1999-06-07 Thread Jim Devine
Henry wrote: >The larger issue is whether neo-liberalism is more humane and effective than socialism as an economic alternative for the world as a whole. ...< The "larger issue" needs to be restated. It's too much like "socialism vs. barbarism," without having the societal crisis and other materi

[PEN-L:7774] Canadian unemployment

1999-06-07 Thread Charles Brown
>The National Post June 3, 1999 > >STUDY PAINTS BLEAK JOB SCENE IN CANADA > > 52% BELOW $15 AN HOUR > > Jobless figures don't measure underemployment, report contends > > By James Cudmore > > Canadian workers are underpaid and u

[PEN-L:7780] Re: Re: RE: Daring the list

1999-06-07 Thread Brad De Long
>...or by Stalin in defeating the >Nazis. > >This sort of accounting is ultimately fruitless since nobody is ever convinced >or even educated in the process, but it sure beats namecalling. No, people are educated. And people who are open-minded enough to be willing to mark their beliefs to market

[PEN-L:7773] Getting George Going...

1999-06-07 Thread Tom Lehman
Thanks to Mike E. for his insight. The Steelworkers through our Rapid Response program and other efforts have been doing as Mike suggested and trying to involve the rank and file in political action. The Rapid Response effort has been very successful. Back in 1994 I gave a speech for the union

[PEN-L:7778] "Freedom From Fear"

1999-06-07 Thread Craven, Jim
This is a reissue from the past to provoke thought about the present. -Original Message- From: James Michael Craven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 1996 3:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: "Freedom From Fear" The following was written and delivered by Aung San

[PEN-L:7777] Re: RE: Daring the list

1999-06-07 Thread Michael Perelman
I appreciate the way Jim Craven approached the question. Some time ago, Bob Naiman posted estimates to the list of the number of deaths attributed to IMF policies. Even earlier, I suggested that we could look at the number of deaths caused by the Federal Reserve. We might also tally up the numb

[PEN-L:7776] FW: Please retain Roslyn Williams - amended

1999-06-07 Thread Craven, Jim
-Original Message- From: Craven, Jim Sent: Friday, June 04, 1999 1:24 PM To: Campus Master List Subject: FW: Please retain Roslyn Williams - amended My mother once said (in response to my comments about a right wing woman General justifying the Vietnam War featured in Ms Magazine) tha

[PEN-L:7775] RE: Daring the list

1999-06-07 Thread Craven, Jim
Thanks for the kind thoughts and response to Michael. Let me try, without invective, to illustrate what my red pencil would write if a student turned in an essay entitled "Mao, Akin to Hitler: Also a Murderer of Millions". 1. What do you mean by "murder"? Since it is a legal term, do you mean the

[PEN-L:7771] Re: Re: Re: African Policy

1999-06-07 Thread Patrick Bond
> From: "Henry C.K. Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ... > There is nothing wrong with friends bearing gifts, but the American approach > is: let me exploit you while I tell how terrible you are. That is > overreaching. Right you are: Globalization, Pharmaceutical Pricing and South African H

[PEN-L:7772] Air Strike Kills Four in Iraq

1999-06-07 Thread Frank Durgin
Monday June 7 12:47 AM ET Iraq Says Western Air Strike Kills Four BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq said four people were killed and five were wounded Sunday when Western planes bombed targets in a no-fly zone in the south of the country. ``Four citizens met martyrdom and five others were wounded in

[PEN-L:7754] Re: China, WTO & Excess Capacity

1999-06-07 Thread Bill Rosenberg
Henry C.K. Liu wrote: > You are absolutely right. China has insufficient capital and > techinology to be beneficially competitive in the global market > devoid of nationalistic protectionism. The only card China has is > its enormous market potential. Joining WTO requires China to give > that