[PEN-L:10612] Re: Re: Re: What is a bigot?

1999-09-03 Thread Rob Schaap
Er, when I wrote: >We're not gonna make friends very easily if we insist on asking people to >spend the little free time they have rejecting their cultural >predispositions and deliberately dissolving their identities, are we? I meant we don't want to charge ourselves with deliberately trying t

[PEN-L:10633] Re: Re: Re: Question on graven images

1999-09-03 Thread Ann Li
Speaking of graven images.. -- Tony Perkins here with a special invitation. As most Red Herring readers know, I've stuck my neck out early in the next presidential campaign by personally backing my friend Governor George W. Bush.

[PEN-L:10632] Rockefellers, oil, Christianity and the Blackfoot

1999-09-03 Thread Louis Proyect
(From chapter 2 of "Thy Will be Done, the Conquest of the Amazon: Nelson Rockefeller and Evangelism in the Age of Oil, Gerald Colby & Charlotte Dennett) On the religious front, it was left to Rev. Harry Emerson Fosdick, brother of Junior’s [Nelson Rockefeller] closest adviser, to fire the first s

[PEN-L:10611] Re: Re: What is a bigot?

1999-09-03 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Sam and Michael, Sam quotes Scruton: >"..while it is a long-standing principle of British law that the >fomentation of hatred (and hence of racial hatred) is a serious criminal >offence, it is not clear that illiberal semtiments have to be forms of >hatred, nor that they should be treated

[PEN-L:10630] Re: Re: Question on graven images

1999-09-03 Thread Charles Brown
>>> "William S. Lear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/03/99 05:30PM >>> On Friday, September 3, 1999 at 16:12:29 (-0400) Charles Brown writes: >I'll give it a try. > >The voice that makes the statement in Exodus is reserving worship for >itself. The passage means don't worship any graven images, etc. The

[PEN-L:10627] [PEN-L] Re: City on Fire

1999-09-03 Thread Michael Hoover
> In one early Woo film, the primitive accumulation of multiple gunshot wounds > was magnificent with the destruction of a hospital concealing an arsenal > rivaling ( as fiction ) the recent NATO activity in Serbia, saving babies > while concentrating weapons fire. > Ann Above is actually Woo's l

[PEN-L:10629] Re: Re: Question on graven images

1999-09-03 Thread William S. Lear
On Friday, September 3, 1999 at 16:12:29 (-0400) Charles Brown writes: >I'll give it a try. > >The voice that makes the statement in Exodus is reserving worship for >itself. The passage means don't worship any graven images, etc. The >voice is not from God, because God doesn't really exist. It is

[PEN-L:10626] Re: RE: Question on graven images

1999-09-03 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Max, Actually the old joke about the "slimmed down five Commandments" is less of a joke than you might think. If you look at the Decalogue they break out into five that are very Hebrew/Jewish sectarian (the first five, with "no other god," "no graven images" "Sabbat" etc.) and the other fiv

[PEN-L:10631] Progressive Response: Implications of US Budget Priorities

1999-09-03 Thread Interhemispheric Resource Center
- The Progressive Response 3 September 1999 Vol. 3, No. 32 Editor: Tom Barry - The Progressive Response (PR) is a we

[PEN-L:10628] Re: Question on graven images

1999-09-03 Thread Charles Brown
I'll give it a try. The voice that makes the statement in Exodus is reserving worship for itself. The passage means don't worship any graven images, etc. The voice is not from God, because God doesn't really exist. It is the voice of a priest .Moses is the one who brought the Ten Commandments

[PEN-L:10624] Re: Re: Re: Re: Question on graven images

1999-09-03 Thread Doug Henwood
Carrol Cox wrote: >Doug Henwood wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >Isn't money a graven image? > > > > No, it's a social relation. > >Interesting. So are most gods, and in particular the god of the >hebrew bible. So perhaps the author of that commandment >objected to reification?? S

[PEN-L:10622] Re: Re: Re: Re: more musings...

1999-09-03 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
At 10:43 AM 9/3/99 -0500, Paul Phillips wrote: >Perhaps I should have said "lasting" rather than "permanent." >However (and also in response to Jim), the point I was trying to >make is that organized labour tends to radicalize, become more >militant, and grow during economic upturns rather tha

[PEN-L:10621] Re: Re: Question on graven images

1999-09-03 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Isn't money a graven image? No, it's a social relation. Doug

[PEN-L:10604] Re: Mike Moore, champion of the poor?

1999-09-03 Thread Bill Rosenberg
Robert Naiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would our New Zealand comrades like to comment on this? I was under > the impression that during Moore's tenure as Prime Minister he was > less than the "committed left-winger" referred to in the article. > Not that it would make much difference -- he wo

[PEN-L:10623] Re: Re: Re: Question on graven images

1999-09-03 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Isn't money a graven image? > > No, it's a social relation. Interesting. So are most gods, and in particular the god of the hebrew bible. So perhaps the author of that commandment objected to reification?? Carrol

[PEN-L:10625] RE: Countering bigoted rightwing attack on Free Speech

1999-09-03 Thread Interhemispheric Resource Center
Dear Mr Craven, I applaud your felicitous comments wholeheartedly! Tim McGivern At 12:42 PM 9/2/99 -0700, you wrote: > > >James Craven >Clark College, 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. >Vancouver, WA. 98663 >(360) 992-2283; Fax: (360) 992-2863 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.home.earthlink.net/~blkfoot5

[PEN-L:10619] RE: Re: Question on graven images

1999-09-03 Thread Max Sawicky
Isn't money a graven image? -- for sure: the eye on top of the pyramid. those diabolical freemasons. mbs

[PEN-L:10617] RE: Question on graven images

1999-09-03 Thread Max Sawicky
>>> I'm curious how the injunction not to create "graven images" (graven simply means carved or engraved) means that "all the priests, ministers, teachers, and other authority figures are liars and hypocrites." >>> Wouldn't that let Moslems and Jews off the hook? Of course, it is otherwise anti-

[PEN-L:10616] BLS Daily Report

1999-09-03 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 2, 1999 RELEASED TODAY: Revised productivity data -- as measured by output per hour of all persons -- for the second quarter of 1999 show the seasonally adjusted annual rates of productivity change as 0.8 percent in the business sector and 0.6 percent in th

[PEN-L:10620] Re: Re: Re: more musings...

1999-09-03 Thread phillp2
Bill Writes: > Not sure there is any "permanent" labor movement, but I see the > Depression as at least accompanying some very positive change for > labor and for society as a whole. Perhaps I should have said "lasting" rather than "permanent." However (and also in response to Jim), the point

[PEN-L:10614] Question on graven images

1999-09-03 Thread William S. Lear
Chomsky has a short commentary on the Kansas School Board decision to deprecate Darwin at http://www.zmag.org/chomdarwin.htm. He says something that intrigues me in this paragraph: It's also worth noting the hypocrisy. The same newspaper stories showed pictures of the Ten Commandments

[PEN-L:10613] Re: Re: more musings...

1999-09-03 Thread William S. Lear
On Thursday, September 2, 1999 at 20:22:17 (-0500) Paul Phillips writes: >... >Can You give me one example where the degredation of workers >has led to any sort of workers' revolt. Hasn't all the labour >movement (at least in a positive and permanent form) emerged out >of expansion of the econ

Re: [PEN-L:10234] Query on CBOT

1999-09-03 Thread Barnet Wagman
There was an interesting little piece related to this on NPR, earlier this year.  They reported that while many midwestern farmers trade in the commodity markets, farmers do not use options as hedges per se (i.e. they do not take positions that hedge what they've actually planted).  Instead, farm

[PEN-L:10618] Re: Question on graven images

1999-09-03 Thread michael
Isn't money a graven image? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:10615] Re: Re: more musings...

1999-09-03 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: >> We should also look at the bright side of the Bolivianization process. The >> decrease in worker insecurity -- corresponding to the shrinkage of the >> importance of the "good jobs" in the primary sector -- also means that >> employees are less loyal their employers and thus perhaps m

[PEN-L:10609] Re: Re: Re: re: Single-Payer National Health Insurance

1999-09-03 Thread Michael Hoover
> It seems to me that the political strength of the insurance companies > is such that achieving this aim would require a mass movement *at > least* equivalent to the civil rights and anti-war movements of the > '60s combined. Does anyone see this reform as possible through > normal channels of po