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2000-02-19 Thread Michael Perelman
Absolutely not. Sweezy was not an intellectual -- someone who could be Schumpeter's favorite colleague, even as a student -- but a KGB hack, applauding each and every execution. Brad De Long wrote: >Brad, this is a real stretch. I don't agree with Stalin's interpretation of the >theory of value,

Re: The Wayback machine

2000-02-19 Thread Timework Web
Brad De Long wrote, You write as though there is a mental process called "agreement" going on here--as if Paul Sweezy reads Stalin's _Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR_, analyzes it, decides which parts are accurate and helpful, and then incorporates it into his mental

a certain minimum willingness to face facts, to accept criticism...

2000-02-19 Thread Louis Proyect
(from Christopher Phelp's historical sketch of Monthly Review that appeared in the May 1999 issue) On the left, many were thinking along the same lines as the editors of Monthly Review. Their hopes for change had been fired by the great movements of the 1930s and rekindled after the Second World

Re: Re: Re: The Wayback machine

2000-02-19 Thread Shane Mage
Brad wrote: I owe the context for a Sweezy quote from _The Present as History_... The publication in 1952 of Stalin's _Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR_ would make possible today a more satisfactory reply to Mr. Kazahaya on the law of value under socialism. Briefly, Stalin's position

Re: Re: Protest Yahoo Sponsorship of Racist/Fascist Groups

2000-02-19 Thread Brad De Long
To return to practical reality, the issue is not Milton or shopping malls but libel and genocide, not Constitutional Rights but Contractual Obligations. And people should protest Yahoo's actions. CB: Right on , Tall Paul Charles Brown Attorney and Counselor at Law Can I return a firm

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2000-02-19 Thread Michael Yates
Maybe it's just me but I get sick of DeLong's never-ending redbaiting. If he worked for Clinton, is he responsible for Clinton' numerous acts of murder. Should we hold DeLong responsible for Iraqi children's death? For Billy Ray Rector? He seems to like to deal in absolutes when discussing

Re: Re: Protest Yahoo Sponsorship ofRacist/FascistGroups

2000-02-19 Thread Charles Brown
Brad De Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/19/00 02:39PM P.S.: Take a look at: http://www.theonion.com/onion3211/acludefends.html "ACLU Defends Nazis' Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" CB: That's a good joke cite. But unfortunately even in the serious world , the ACLU is absurd on this issue.

Re: Re: Re: Protest Yahoo Sponsorship of Racist/FascistGroups

2000-02-19 Thread Doug Henwood
Charles Brown wrote: But unfortunately even in the serious world , the ACLU is absurd on this issue. Suppose the Nazis' various speeches and advocacies succeed. That would be the end of freedom of speech. The ACLU , arch defenders of freedom of speech, defend the right of Nazis to try to end

RE: Re: Re: Protest Yahoo SponsorshipofRacist/FascistGroups

2000-02-19 Thread Charles Brown
"Nathan Newman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/19/00 03:05PM Brad De Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/19/00 02:39PM P.S.: Take a look at: http://www.theonion.com/onion3211/acludefends.html "ACLU Defends Nazis' Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" Charles Brown: But unfortunately even in the serious

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Wayback machine

2000-02-19 Thread Michael Perelman
Brad seems to make the mistake of assuming that one that quality is evidence of another. Actually, some of Stalin's writings were not that bad. I think if he ever met Paul Sweezy he would retract his statement right away. O.J. Simpson was an excellent football player though he had some other

Re: Re: Re: Protest Yahoo Sponsorship ofRacist/FascistGroups

2000-02-19 Thread Charles Brown
Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/19/00 03:08PM Charles Brown wrote: But unfortunately even in the serious world , the ACLU is absurd on this issue. Suppose the Nazis' various speeches and advocacies succeed. That would be the end of freedom of speech. The ACLU , arch defenders of freedom

The Wayback machine

2000-02-19 Thread Charles Brown
Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/19/00 03:37PM Brad seems to make the mistake of assuming that one that quality is evidence of another. Actually, some of Stalin's writings were not that bad. I think if he ever met Paul Sweezy he would retract his statement right away. O.J. Simpson was

Re: Re: Re: Re: Protest Yahoo Sponsorship of Racist/FascistGroups

2000-02-19 Thread Doug Henwood
Charles Brown wrote: You can find a lot of people who'd say exactly the same thing about "Stalinists" or even "Marxists." They'd be as happy to censor you as the would some pig in a sheet, maybe happier. CB: They already have. Remember McCarthyism, the Palmer Raids, Mr. Justice Holmes

Re: The Wayback machine

2000-02-19 Thread Doug Henwood
Charles Brown wrote: CB: I wish Brad had had a chance to meet Stalin too. That's one of the funniest things I've read so far this millennium. You think Uncle Joe's personal charm would have won Brad over? Or is this a roundabout way you think that Brad's one of those people for whom four

Re: Automation and the trade unions in 1954

2000-02-19 Thread Timework Web
Bert Cochran, October 1954: Labor cannot afford to mark time and just hope for a turn of the wheel for the better. What is required is a new program of action that will fuse the membership into an embattled army fighting to advance, not reconciled to retreat. As our Detroit correspondent

The Wayback machine

2000-02-19 Thread Louis Proyect
CB: I wish Brad had had a chance to meet Stalin too. That's one of the funniest things I've read so far this millennium. You think Uncle Joe's personal charm would have won Brad over? Or is this a roundabout way you think that Brad's one of those people for whom four walls are three too many?

Re: The Wayback machine

2000-02-19 Thread Michael Perelman
Didn't Churchill and Roosevelt refer to him as Uncle Joe? As I recall the inventor of the condom left his estate to the Bolsheviks. His family appealed and his estate went to his three daughters. In order to reclaim their rightful wealth, the Bolsheviks dispatch their three months eligible

Canadian Farmers' Share of Food Basket etc.

2000-02-19 Thread Ken Hanly
This material is excerpted from an article by Ron Friesen in Manitoba Co-operator Feb 10,2000 %age of disposable income spent on food. Canada 9.8 United States 10.9 United Kingdom 11.5 Australia 14.6 Japan

Re: Re: The Wayback machine

2000-02-19 Thread Jim Devine
As I recall the inventor of the condom left his estate to the Bolsheviks. His family appealed and his estate went to his three daughters. there's a fun only pop novel called "A Pennant for the Kremlin," in which a crazy old millionaire willed his entire estate to the USSR, including the

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Wayback machine

2000-02-19 Thread Brad De Long
Maybe it's just me but I get sick of DeLong's never-ending redbaiting. If he worked for Clinton...[s]hould we hold DeLong responsible for... Billy Ray Rector?... michael yates It's Rickey Ray Rector.

Re: Re: Re: Protest Yahoo Sponsorship of Racist/FascistGroups

2000-02-19 Thread Brad De Long
P.S.: Take a look at: http://www.theonion.com/onion3211/acludefends.html "ACLU Defends Nazis' Right to Burn Down ACLU Headquarters" CB: That's a good joke cite. But unfortunately even in the serious world , the ACLU is absurd on this issue. Suppose the Nazis' various speeches and advocacies

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2000-02-19 Thread Timework Web
Michael Perelman wrote, Didn't Churchill and Roosevelt refer to him as Uncle Joe? As I recall the inventor of the condom left his estate to the Bolsheviks. His family appealed and his estate went to his three daughters. In order to reclaim their rightful wealth, the Bolsheviks dispatch their

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2000-02-19 Thread Michael Perelman
I think that none of the three bachelors succeeded in their quest. Timework Web wrote: Michael Perelman wrote, Didn't Churchill and Roosevelt refer to him as Uncle Joe? As I recall the inventor of the condom left his estate to the Bolsheviks. His family appealed and his estate went to

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Protest Yahoo Sponsorship of Racist/FascistGroups

2000-02-19 Thread Paul Kneisel
To return to fundamentals: the central issue is to protest Yahoo's actions. That out of the way: Various governments act in a way that can informally be called "outlawing fascism." But the formal legal -- and therefore both the practical and ethical -- reality is different. The major legal

Oil

2000-02-19 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, February 18, 2000 After Helping Oil-Producing Nations to Push Prices Up, Mexico Is Having Second Thoughts By SAM DILLON VERACRUZ, Mexico, Feb. 18 -- For two years, Mexico has worked with other oil producing nations to lift prices, and their efforts have borne fruit. But in an about

Automation and the trade unions in 1954

2000-02-19 Thread Louis Proyect
[As I stated last week, the American Socialist magazine co-edited by George Clarke, Harry Braverman and Bert Cochran represented the first attempts by Marxists to come to terms with a post-WWII paradigm. This meant, first of all, dealing with some of the new realities of the American economy.