Re: Re: Putin's enthronement

2000-05-09 Thread Chris Burford
At 16:26 08/05/00 -0700, you wrote: At 12:09 AM 5/9/00 +0100, you wrote: The left has fallen into the trap of thinking that it should not criticise this Russian regime too much, for fear of appearing to ally with its own ruling class. I don't know about that. I, for one, likened Putin's rise

Fw: On the general strike in Norway

2000-05-09 Thread Arno Mong Daastoel
In case any of you might be interestedin one case "study": Yours,Arno (+47) 66806373http://daastol.com http://sportaxi.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 1:27 PM Subject: Strike? Dear

BLS Daily Report

2000-05-09 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, MONDAY, MAY 8, 2000 __The U.S. unemployment rate fell to 3.9 percent in April, the lowest recorded since January 1970, BLS reports. Nonfarm payroll growth was also robust in April, rising by 340,000, although temporary hiring by the Census Bureau added about 73,000 workers to

contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: Doug, what you say bears some resemblance to the reports that people gave about the girls who worked in the Lowell textile mills. They were younger, single and had no responsibilities. The horror stories that I hear relate to the young girls that have

Re: Re: Re: Putin's enthronement

2000-05-09 Thread Jim Devine
Chris B. writes: Perhaps we can learn. Russia could be very interesting, a laboratory on the interface between capitalism and socialism. Where the high tide of capitalism reaches may define the chances of recouping anything for socialism. There are millions in Russia who value aspects of

Re: contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Louis Proyect
Doug: A friend of mine who spent 2 years as a wire service reporter in Vietnam - she opened Dow Jones's Hanoi bureau - said... (clip) A year or so ago I talked with an American who'd been trying to do some union organizing in the Mexican maquiladoras. (clip) Some folks may remember Zeynep,

Fw: On the general strike in Norway (fwd)

2000-05-09 Thread md7148
In case any of you might be interestedin one case "study": Yours,Arno (+47) 66806373http://daastol.com http://sportaxi.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 1:27 PM Subject: Strike? Dear

Fw: On the general strike in Norway (fwd)

2000-05-09 Thread md7148
In case any of you might be interestedin one case "study": Yours,Arno (+47) 66806373http://daastol.com http://sportaxi.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 1:27 PM Subject: Strike? Dear

Re: Re: contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Louis Proyect wrote: Naw, that ain't the problem. It's just that you rely on anecdotal testimony when something like Mine Doyran's analysis is required. Hmm, in journalism we call those interviews. But on scholarly matters, of course I defer to you. Doug

Re: Re: Re: contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Louis Proyect
Hmm, in journalism we call those interviews. But on scholarly matters, of course I defer to you. Doug Why, thank you. And when it comes to journalism, I defer to you. Louis Proyect Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org/

Re: contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Ellen Frank
Doug wrote: And to anyone who might feel inclined to call me an apologist for imperialism, I'd say that this is a pretty classically Marxist view of capitalism. Doug "The process of capitalist development, nationally and globally has always been complex, improving the material standards of

Re: Re: Re: Re: contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Jim Devine
At 12:11 PM 5/9/00 -0400, you wrote: Hmm, in journalism we call those interviews. But on scholarly matters, of course I defer to you. Doug Why, thank you. And when it comes to journalism, I defer to you. after you, my dear Alphonse. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Michael Perelman
Again, let me return to the Lowell analogy. Wages might be enough to give a young, single woman a better standard of living then she could have on the farm, but not enough to support many children. A good number of the horror stories concern women with children. Also, I'm not defending a

Re: Re: contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Charles Brown wrote: CB: It is the classically Marxist view of capitalism as far as you take it. But the classically Marxist view of capitalism goes beyond seeing the life of a proletarian as an improvement over the life of a peasant , in general, to the position that capitalism must be

Re: Re: contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Jim Devine
Michael P. writes: Again, let me return to the Lowell analogy. Wages might be enough to give a young, single woman a better standard of living then she could have on the farm, but not enough to support many children. A good number of the horror stories concern women with children.

contradictions of capitalism (fwd)

2000-05-09 Thread md7148
wait a minnute! okey.. I will be kind.. Louis said what needs to be said, but let me reiterate. Doug, first, I am a Marxist feminist and I COMDEMNED in my post both local and foreign capitalists who exploit women. excuse me, but you have provided no empirical evidence, besides your friend's

contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Louis Proyect
Wait a second. I didn't know this at all. My understanding of socialism is that we'd all go live in the country and make our own clothes from hemp fiber, eat tofu, shoot squirrels with bows and arrows and walk around buck naked. Charles Brown wrote: CB: It is the classically Marxist view of

Re: Re: Re: contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Michael Perelman
Jim Devine wrote: Sweatshops, like traditional peasant agriculture (and the vast majority of pre-capitalist modes of production), are very patriarchal. And paternalistic. The freedom of the women at Lowell was highly restricted. They were not that different from indentured servants, though

Re: contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Chris Cauthern Kutalik
Hey I didn't know that John Zerzan was on this list... ; ) At 01:12 PM 5/9/00 -0400, you wrote: Wait a second. I didn't know this at all. My understanding of socialism is that we'd all go live in the country and make our own clothes from hemp fiber, eat tofu, shoot squirrels with bows and

Re: contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Eugene Coyle
Why would we make clothes if we are going to walk around naked? Louis Proyect wrote: Wait a second. I didn't know this at all. My understanding of socialism is that we'd all go live in the country and make our own clothes from hemp fiber, eat tofu, shoot squirrels with bows and arrows and

Re: contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread JKSCHW
Clothes? We will clothes under socialism? Count me out. --jks In a message dated Tue, 9 May 2000 1:16:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wait a second. I didn't know this at all. My understanding of socialism is that we'd all go live in the country and make

Re: On Marx's economic doctrine

2000-05-09 Thread Charles Brown
Chris Burford [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/06/00 03:36AM In terms of the "economic doctrine" I have a reservation about saying The doctrine of surplus-value is the corner-stone of Marx's economic theory. This was one of Marx's specific additions to classical economics, but the fact that

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2000-05-09 Thread Mine Aysen Doyran
A MINHA LUTA E OS MEUS ANSEIOS DE EMANCIPAÇÃO DO HOMEM. QUE EM 2000 CONTINUEMOS NOSSAS LUTAS COM REDOBRADA VONTADE. pongo.jpg

Re: Re: contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Louis Proyect
At 10:39 AM 5/9/00 -0700, you wrote: Why would we make clothes if we are going to walk around naked? Pish-posh. Clearly you haven't read Stalin's lectures on dialectical materialism, especially the third which deals with the negation of a negation. Louis Proyect Marxism mailing list:

Reparations for Blacks

2000-05-09 Thread Joshua Bragg
Dear Pen-l, I am often impressed by some of the thoughtful discussions that take place here. I would like to get some of your opinions on a fascinating issue. I have just finished reading Randall Robinson's "The Debt: What America Owes to Blacks" and am left with mixed feelings. He reminds

contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Sam Pawlett
Doug Henwood wrote: Look, I agree it's no bowl of cherries. But there is a tendency among Western liberals and leftists to romanticize peasant life. Just a few thoughts on this thread. There isn't much peasant life left anymore anywhere. Is that a good thing? After the rev. in Vietnam

Re: Re: contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: Again, let me return to the Lowell analogy. Wages might be enough to give a young, single woman a better standard of living then she could have on the farm, but not enough to support many children. A good number of the horror stories concern women with children. Also,

Re: contradictions of capitalism (fwd)

2000-05-09 Thread md7148
actually, it would provide some more flexibility in this hot weather (geeezz..) Once, my canadian turkish friend told me that it was okey for women to walk half naked on the streets of Toronto. I remember he was serious about this issue, but I don't know if this "actually" happened or not. What

Re: [weisbrot-columns] (fwd)

2000-05-09 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Mine wrote: Besides the problems with the article (which i have not read in details), the fact that Indians make "commercial movies" should not lead you to normalize the brutality of western imperialism and epidemic violence done to third world people. did you ever attempt to think why Indian

Re: Re: [weisbrot-columns] (fwd)

2000-05-09 Thread Michael Perelman
Ricardo, you keep skating close to the edge. You say that you do not intend to provoke, but you seem to poke and poke -- maybe just to get a reaction. We do not need that here. Ricardo Duchesne wrote: Now you are getting high on pity which is another trait of third worldists who think that

Re: Reparations for Blacks

2000-05-09 Thread Mathew Forstater
Ultimately, I think that the end of capitalism is probably a necessary though not sufficient condition for true Black liberation. But in the meantime, my policy approach to addressing Black poverty would combine the following: 1) reparations 2) affirmative action 3) guaranteed jobs/living

Re: Re: Re: contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Eugene Coyle
I did read the section on virtual materialism -- is that to which you refer? Gene Coyle Louis Proyect wrote: At 10:39 AM 5/9/00 -0700, you wrote: Why would we make clothes if we are going to walk around naked? Pish-posh. Clearly you haven't read Stalin's lectures on dialectical

Re: Reparations for Blacks

2000-05-09 Thread Chris Burford
At 19:06 09/05/00 +, you wrote: Dear Pen-l, I am often impressed by some of the thoughtful discussions that take place here. I would like to get some of your opinions on a fascinating issue. I have just finished reading Randall Robinson's "The Debt: What America Owes to Blacks" and am

The Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-09 Thread Louis Proyect
I want to amplify on some of Sam Pawlett's comments. Vietnam, to remind youngsters on the list, had a proletarian revolution in the 1970s that like China was largely led by peasants. Peasant support was tied to the cooperatives that provided a form of social insurance and security in the

[Fwd: web site for globalization project] (fwd)

2000-05-09 Thread md7148
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:14:15 -0400 From: Chris Chase-Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WORLD SYSTEMS NETWORK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Fwd: web site for globalization project] Dear Colleagues: I have created a website with information about the three

Re: contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Carrol Cox
Louis Proyect wrote: Students are organizing against sweatshop conditions. If Marxists think that they are some kind of evolutionary step upward from 'rural idiocy' and patriarchy, then we will be ignored by these students. Take another look. THat's what I said. That is, from the

Educating the public

2000-05-09 Thread Louis Proyect
(New York City has just declared an Environmental Emergency. It has been over 96 degrees for the past 3 days and there are deep worries about a blackout. My building has shut down half the elevators and urged tenants to keep electricity use to a minimum. The heat wave has thrown maintenance for a

Re: Muzsikás and Bela Bartok

2000-05-09 Thread Louis Proyect
Late one night in the early 1960s, I turned on Henry Cowell's weekly ethnomusicology radio show on WBAI, (the local affiliate of the radical Pacifica network) and heard some of the most electrifying music I have heard in my life. To this day, the sounds echo in my mind. Cowell, who was playing

Re: The Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-09 Thread Dennis R Redmond
On Tue, 9 May 2000, Louis Proyect wrote: About 4 million hectares of land were scheduled for reallocation after 1988. After the transition, the social bonds in the countryside were profoundly shattered. The basic structure of the nation was placed under severe stress and dispossessed

Re: The Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-09 Thread Louis Proyect
Dennis Redmond: But how do explain the fact that living standards have risen dramatically in the countryside side during doi moi? The Baltimore Sun, August 6, 1995: [W]alking through Huong Tho Phu village in southern Vietnam, you can easily see why the south dominates the national economy. The

Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: [weisbrot-columns] NotExactly FreeTrade

2000-05-09 Thread Brad De Long
In a message dated 00-05-08 18:36:14 EDT, you write: No more unknown governors from small southern states... What about relatively well known ex-Senators from small Southern states, Brad? --jks Better than unknown governors from *large* southern states... Brad DeLong