Re: New Zealand rejects market health care model

2000-10-07 Thread Bill Rosenberg
Ken Hanly wrote: > > Perhaps Bill Rosenberg might comment upon this. >Cheers, Ken Hanly Aint got a lot I can say other than, potentially, yes this will take us away from the "market-led health model". It sets up elected health boards similar to ones we had a decade ago, in place of the cur

Re: Checking up on Wolf

2000-10-07 Thread Jim Devine
Peter wrote: >1. Doesn't Wolf confuse the long-run, secular "tendency for the rate of >profit to fall" with the intermediate-term, cyclical mechanism Marx >describes in Chapter 25 of Vol. 1 of Capital? For Wolf, the rising >organic composition of capital leads to a declining rate of profit, t

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Economic revolutions

2000-10-07 Thread Dennis Robert Redmond
On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > president of the new Republic. To the best of my knowledge, there > has been no EU money for the environment. etc. Probably because Slovenia is a fairly wealthy country, and can finance these things themselves. The EIB, though, is making money av

Checking up on Wolf

2000-10-07 Thread Peter Dorman
I am reading Eric Wolf's EUROPE AND THE PEOPLE WITHOUT HISTORY as part of a team-taught course in political economy. It's my first time with the book; parts of it I like, parts I don'tand then I hit chapter 10, which summarizes his take on Marxian economics. It seems to me that he made a num

Villarroel (was Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Milosevic out?)

2000-10-07 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relación a [PEN-L:2787] Re: Re: Re: Re: Milosevic out?, el 7 Oct 00, a las 10:49, Jim Devine dijo: > > Néstor ripostes: > > >The same could be said of the mob who gathered at the Murillo Square > >of La Paz, in Bolivia, in 1943, and hang President Gualberto > >Villaroel, whose only crime ha

Marx (and Engels) article or essay request

2000-10-07 Thread Seth Sandronsky
Hi Pen-l, Starting this Nov. 12, I'm going to teach a six-week course entitled "Marx, Class and Race" at the Marxist School of Sacramento. For the first two-hour session, I'd like to have folks read and discuss a brief article or essay by Marx (and Engels) on British racism and capitalist imp

Forwarded from Greg Elich (new Yugo government to US: back off)

2000-10-07 Thread Louis Proyect
This just in, from the Sunday edition of The Independent: (The new government of Yugoslavia was furious yesterday after Washington suggested that sanctions would not be lifted unless Slobodan Milosevic was handed over to the War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague. Vladeta Jankovic, the number two to t

[L-I] Yugoslavia Must Make Good on Reforms, U.S. Says (LA Times)

2000-10-07 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Yugoslavia Must Make Good on Reforms, U.S. Says By ROBIN WRIGHT, Times Staff Writer WASHINGTON--Despite almost giddy diplomatic euphoria over Slobodan Milosevic's political demise, the United States cautioned Friday that Yugoslavia still must act on several contentious issues before it will b

Media & Democracy in Yugoslavia (was Re: Economic revolutions)

2000-10-07 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
>In a message dated 10/7/00 9:12:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > ><< It's like Yeltsin's shelling of the Duma. >> > >I see, The present leaderships victory in a democratic election, despite >Slobo's virtually total control of the media and ability to stuff ballot >boxesa

Re: Milosevic and Srebrenica

2000-10-07 Thread Chris Burford
At 20:19 06/10/00 -0700, you wrote: >>Now, a quick question. Several on this list who are otherwise >>perceptive and critical thinkers have accepted, and indeed >>broadcast, the view that Milosevic is an agent of the devil, etc. What >>evidence does anyone on this list have that he is evil, ant

Re: Economic revolutions

2000-10-07 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Justin wrote: >In a message dated 10/7/00 9:07:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >writes: ><< Inequality is higher now as well. Socialists are not interested in economic > growth for the same of economic growth. We are interested in social >justice. >> > >Not all socialists: > >"Wha

milosevic out?

2000-10-07 Thread neil
Ken H-- When you get into election circuses, east and west in this epoch, they are all tightly run ruling class affairs. Their legal parties only real differences in practice are tactical, not strategic, but yes, true, regional class antagonisms crop up as well.. But if any political part

Re: Re: Re: Re: Milosevic out?

2000-10-07 Thread Jim Devine
I had written: > > > > The protestors -- who seemed to have come from all major classes, > > > > unlike previous anti-Milosevic waves, which were primarily based > > > > in the urban middle classes -- were fighting the Yugoslav > > > > government, led by a man who had committed the ultimate sin am

Re: Re: Economic revolutions

2000-10-07 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 10/7/00 9:12:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << It's like Yeltsin's shelling of the Duma. >> I see, The present leaderships victory in a democratic election, despite Slobo's virtually total control of the media and ability to stuff ballot boxesa t wil

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Economic revolutions

2000-10-07 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 10/7/00 9:07:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Inequality is higher now as well. Socialists are not interested in economic growth for the same of economic growth. We are interested in social justice. >> Not all socialists: "What is a 'fair distribut

Re: Yugoslavia

2000-10-07 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 10/6/00 9:06:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << It seems to me unfortunate when North American leftists become spokespersons for CIA propaganda. >> And I think it unfotrtunate when any leftist becomes an apologist for nationalistic chauvinism and ant

Sachs on World Bank and IMF

2000-10-07 Thread Ken Hanly
I thought that Sachs was one of them! What happened? CHeers, Ken Hanly The Financial Times 26 September 2000 The charade of debt sustainability The World Bank and IMF fail the world's poorest people by siding with western governments. By Jeffrey Sachs Many of the protesters in Pragu

New Zealand rejects market health care model

2000-10-07 Thread Ken Hanly
Perhaps Bill Rosenberg might comment upon this. Cheers, Ken Hanly > >THE EVENING POST 2 >AUGUST 2000 > >Labour to abolish market-led health model > > Health Minister Annette King today unveiled the Government's health >reform legislation, promising to restore public confidence in the health >

Yugoslav election

2000-10-07 Thread Ken Hanly
Press Release Belgrade, September 26, 2000 "A free and fair election", international observers say. The 210 international observers from 54 countries who have come to Yugoslavia to monitor the elections have among them current and former parliamentarians, representatives from political parti

Re: Milosevic out??

2000-10-07 Thread Ken Hanly
- Original Message - From: neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Penners <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Neil C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 12:42 AM Subject: [PEN-L:2760] Milosevic out?? . If the masses see through the capitalists turned market stalinists (sic) quite well etc.

Re: Why the Western Left Failed to Defend Yugoslavia (wasRe:Economic revolutions)

2000-10-07 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
>In response to the posting below by the editor of left.ru, we would say >this: >as a whole (and there are exceptions), the Western Left does not completely >reject the mentality, the false consciousness created by its own ruling >class, and this often cripples the Left when it comes to offering >

Re: American Arab Anti Discrimination Committee

2000-10-07 Thread Louis Proyect
>Any news of protests elsewhere? > >Yoshie NY Times, Oct. 7, 2000 Times Square Marchers Protest Killing of Palestinians By AMY WALDMAN Several thousand demonstrators gathered south of Times Square during the evening rush yesterday to protest the killing of dozens of Palestinians by Israeli sol

Re: Re: Milosevic out?

2000-10-07 Thread Jim Devine
Yoshie wrote: >Yes, and I'm saying that the opposition to neoliberal & humanitarian >imperialism is the key to the future of the Left at the core and the periphery. then we agree. I've been saying for a while that socialism is likely to arise as a result of the struggle against the emergent (ca

Re: Of Nationalist Thugs (and those who enthroned them)

2000-10-07 Thread Jim Devine
At 01:59 AM 10/08/2000 +1000, you wrote: >Then, in March of 1992, 'we' sought to impose the Lisbon accord (which >'we' would do again at Dayton), explicitly and deliberately perpetrating a >three-way ethnic division within a sovereign state, effectively enshrining >nationalist leaders (who owed

Forwarded from Greg Elich

2000-10-07 Thread Louis Proyect
I agree completely that this will be the crucial struggle in the days ahead. The left won a solid majority in both assemblies. That is definitely the reason Kostunica refused to participate in the Oct. 8 runoff, even though he was sure to win. A Kostunica win in the second round would leave in pla

Re: Of Nationalist Thugs (and those who enthroned them)

2000-10-07 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relación a [PEN-L:2768] Of Nationalist Thugs (and those who , el 8 Oct 00, a las 1:59, Rob Schaap dijo: > G'day Brad, [overwhelming mass of evidence snipped] > > Reckon the Balkans'd be a much better place if 'we' had kept our > filthy mits off the place ... Just the Balkans? Néstor Migu

Re: Economic revolutions

2000-10-07 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
>Dennis: > >Whence this fetishism of Eastern European state-party father-figures? Per > >capita GDP in Poland, Slovenia and the Czech Republic is higher now than > >in 1989, and many of these economies are growing pretty fast. > >Inequality is higher now as well. Socialists are not interested in e

Re: American Arab Anti Discrimination Committee

2000-10-07 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
>Building Protests in Support of The Palestinians- > >This forward is to the Action Alert page for the AAADC,, which is >beginning to list the demonstrations being built around the United >States. In addition, one should feel free to contact the mosques >in your community, to find out if other

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Economic revolutions

2000-10-07 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relación a [PEN-L:2764] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Economic revolut, el 7 Oct 00, a las 9:01, Louis Proyect dijo: > Dennis: > >Whence this fetishism of Eastern European state-party father-figures? > >Per capita GDP in Poland, Slovenia and the Czech Republic is higher > >now than in 1989, and many of

Re: Re: Re: Milosevic out?

2000-10-07 Thread Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky
En relación a [PEN-L:2763] Re: Re: Milosevic out?, el 7 Oct 00, a las 11:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] dijo: > At 6:05 AM +0800 7/10/00, Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky wrote: > > >In Belgrade we have had a rehearsal of the "out wih Ferdinand Marcos" > >play, where a good fraction of the petty bourgeoisie, wi

Re: Milosevic out?

2000-10-07 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Jim D. wrote: >I wrote: >>>It's true that the ascension of neoliberalism in (and "Western" >>>dominance of) Serbia will rule out the realization of the >>>potential of state ownership. > >Yoshie replies: >>This is the main point we should focus on, since there has been no >>existing socialist

Of Nationalist Thugs (and those who enthroned them)

2000-10-07 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Brad, Two responses come to mind. Firstly, how would you define 'nationalist thug' such that the utterances and actions of US presidents don't qualify them as just that, and, secondly, are all nationalist words and actions much of a muchness? As Joanna Sheldon wrote the other day, nationa

Re: Yugoslavia

2000-10-07 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
>>Now, a quick question. Several on this list who are otherwise >>perceptive and critical thinkers have accepted, and indeed >>broadcast, the view that Milosevic is an agent of the devil, etc. >>What evidence does anyone on this list have that he is evil, anti- >>democratic, satanic etc. other t

Re: Yugoslavia

2000-10-07 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Paul wrote: >I was listening to "As it Happens", the CBC news backgrounder, >this evening on the events in Yugoslavia. Rather interesting. >Apparently Milosevic met with the Army Chiefs and Kostinica, >congratulated Kostinica on his electoral victory and announced he >was going to retire temporar

Re: Economic revolutions

2000-10-07 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Ken wrote: >The majority may not like Milosevic but they have given his party more than >a majority in recent elections. That is why you are seeing a >Western-generated uprising. Interesting that some leftists cheer the >burning of parliament buildings when the supposed aim is to impose >democrac

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Economic revolutions

2000-10-07 Thread Louis Proyect
Dennis: >Whence this fetishism of Eastern European state-party father-figures? Per >capita GDP in Poland, Slovenia and the Czech Republic is higher now than >in 1989, and many of these economies are growing pretty fast. Inequality is higher now as well. Socialists are not interested in economic

Re: Re: Milosevic out?

2000-10-07 Thread kjkhoo
At 6:05 AM +0800 7/10/00, Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky wrote: >In Belgrade we have had a rehearsal of the "out wih Ferdinand Marcos" >play, where a good fraction of the petty bourgeoisie, with the >company of diverse fractions of lower classes, seems to have tilted >the balance in the Yugo armed forc