> NYT April 20, 2001
>
> Chinese Raid Defiant Village, Killing 2, Amid Rural Unrest
>
> By ERIK ECKHOLM
>
> [Y]UNTANG, China, April 18 Before dawn last Sunday, more than 600 police and
>paramilitary troops stormed this village in southern China and opened fire on a
>gathering crowd of una
At 19/04/01 12:44 -0700, Michael wrote:
>Was there any fine print in the settlement with the pharmaceutical pirates
>in S. Africa?
Whatever the fine print this is a world historic victory!
Congratulations to all who had anything to do with it!
But as I predicted, according to the editorial in
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From: "Ken Hanly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:31 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:10439] Naomic Klein on FTAA meeting in Quebec
> Does anyone know which civil society represenatives have been invited to the
> meeting?
>
Health Care for All Oregon has finally passed through the legal process
required to submit an iniative to the voter in Oregon. Within 3 weeks we
will be circulating petitions to place on the ballot Measure 27: Measure
27 will kick the insurance bureaucrats out of the health care business
and provi
Ken asks: > Does anyone know which civil society represenatives have been invited to
the
[FTAA] meeting?<
is there some sort of official "civil society," which has representatives? how can I
join?
what is the membership
fee?
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Now that Max has returned to the fold perhaps he can tell us what lies
hidden in the budget. Have the Democrats made much of the fact that the
budget counts revenues from drilling in ANWAR?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
What lies behind the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA)?
THE QUEBEC WALL
By Michel Chossudovsky, Professor of Economics, University of
Ottawa
The Summit of the Americas will be held inside a four kilometer
"bunker" made of concrete and galvanized steel fencing. The 10
feet high "Quebec
Does anyone know which civil society represenatives have been invited to the
meeting?
Cheers, Ken Hanly
The Globe & Mail April 18, 2001
Lies, damned lies and statistics
Numbers extolling the benefits of free trade just don't add up,
unless they appear in a corporate account
by Naomi Klein
Right now it's hopeless.
I prefer "Make work pay!"
Work-conditioned benefits, and
gigunda refundable tax credits.
max
Make what do you think of the slogan: Bring back welfare ! ( It's a jungle
out there for some )
Charles
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/19/01 11:23AM >>>
I have resubbed to this
>
>As the movement for reparations grows, I expect the definition of
>blackness to change.
It will have to. But to what?
Any ideas?
Best,
John R Henry CPP
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>
>my apologies: i did not mean to imply (as my message did since it
>was in response to yours) that you were making the argument based
>on the difficulty of implementation - someone else was and my
>reference was to that argument.
I think you may mean me, since I originally asked the question.
I'm teaching a course at the moment on the topic of alternative models
of socialism. (The syllabus is available to those who send me an
offline e-mail message.) This week the book was Hilary Wainwright's
interesting Arguments for a New Left. There are a number of
models out there, but the issu
At 19/04/01 16:49 +0100, you wrote:
>I'm an occasional lurker on this list. I can see that the discussion of
>models of socialism is not terribly popular, not surprisingly, since it
>is contentious and speculative. To say nothing of raising the very tough
>
>problem of the lacunae in Engels' blith
The critique of utopianism that Engels and Marx made over one hundred years ago is
somewhat out of date as there has been over 80 years of practical experience with
building socialism from which to draw scientific, not utopian conclusions .
CB
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/19/01 12:22PM >>>
Actuall
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/19/01 12:31PM >>>If you talk to people close to the
>movement, you
would learn that the point is not to establish some
system of precise transactions wherein the government
delivers payments to whomever is classified as black.
This is all reductionist legalistic twaddle,
On Thursday, April 19, 2001 at 07:44:25 (-0700) Michael Perelman writes:
>Bill, I thought that Ian was just being humerous. Yes, the M' exceeds M,
>but these equations just give a capitalist vision of reality. Say that I
>buy a slave for $1 and make a good that I sell for $5. But if I had to go
Make what do you think of the slogan: Bring back welfare ! ( It's a jungle out there
for some )
Charles
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/19/01 11:23AM >>>
I have resubbed to this list, but with great
tr
A strong claim for John being a leftist, if not socialist, could be made
by perusing the interview with John by Tariq Ali in the "Red Mole" circa
'71. Reprinted in Ramparts a few months later.
Jon Weiner and the So. Ca. Civil Liberties Union pried loose John's FBI
files, a few yrs. ago. See
Was there any fine print in the settlement with the pharmaceutical pirates
in S. Africa?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brad DeLong wrote:
>
>> 2) to what do you attribute this change? economic liberalisation?
>
> Well, that is economists' conventional wisdom--that the "neoliberal"
> economic reforms of the Narasimha Rao government in the early 1990s were
> the decisive change. Dani Rodrik, however, argues th
Charles Brown wrote:
>"...The Beatles were not socialists , but they were progressively
>subversive of
>capitalist culture.
Taxman
(George Harrison)
Lead Vocal: George Harrison
[1,2,3,4
Hrmm!
1,2...
1,2,3,4.]
Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cause I'm
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Day - April 25th
Dear Jubilee campaigners,
Please send this out to your networks and get out
the word for
Michael Perelman wrote:
>Doug, the answer to your question comes in two parts. First, I am not
>sure that the median inhabitant of the planet has much higher incomes
>and lives much longer. Surely not those in the bottom quintile.
It doesn't make much sense to discuss this question in abstracti
> I'm not sure what exactly the above says, but I may agree with it: the 2nd
> law of thermodynamics -- i.e., that in a closed system, disorder increases
> over time -- doesn't seem relevant to life on Earth, since it's not a
> closed system. Order can be created by use of energy coming from the
>
Jim wrote:
>I'm not sure what exactly the above says, but I may agree with it: the 2nd
>law of thermodynamics -- i.e., that in a closed system, disorder increases
>over time -- doesn't seem relevant to life on Earth, since it's not a
>closed system.
As far as I recall from my good old days o
"...The Beatles were not socialists , but they were progressively subversive of
capitalist culture. (Hear, e.g., Give Peace a Chance).
In our rap to win the hearts and minds of our People, let's
make our philosophy and music the celebrity not some great leader.
It is winter in socialism now; b
Michael Perelman wrote:
>
> Ravi wrote:
> i think it is
> disingenuous to suggest that any remuneration be denied on the
> grounds that determining qualification is a difficult problem).
>
> No problem. I never argued against reparations, even though I fear that the
> debate about the subject
>CO2 cycles and atmospheric chemistry aside, the biosphere has rendered the
>2nd law
>moot for the time being. The question, as Gregory Bateson put it, is
>whether there is
>a biological analogue to the 2nd law, something that's different from--yet
>similar
>to-- organismic death
I'm not
>nonetheless, the Fed cut rates in a seemingly panicked way. Is it possible that
>they're freaking out about international events? or rising saving by consumers? or
>what?
-- Jim Devine
There is a clear tone of consternation in the WSJ's front page account of the decision
to cut. AG has bee
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Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:31 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:10415] Re: The case for reparations
> Doug, the answer to your question comes in two parts. First, I am not
> sure that the median inhabitan
Max Sawicky wrote:
>
> [clip]
>
> The politics of reparations in the purely domestic
> context, white v. black, are no easier today than ever.
> But one can't help but notice that the call for
> reparations has more of a political impact than,
> say, a call for expanded social welfare programs
Doug, the answer to your question comes in two parts. First, I am not
sure that the median inhabitant of the planet has much higher incomes
and lives much longer. Surely not those in the bottom quintile.
Also, as Ian mention, the 2d law of thermodynamics comes into play. We
are extracting and
Ravi wrote:
i think it is
disingenuous to suggest that any remuneration be denied on the
grounds that determining qualification is a difficult problem).
No problem. I never argued against reparations, even though I fear that the
debate about the subject would turn on "how" rather than "why" re
"This theoretical potential [of the neoclassical "new political economy"] is not fully
realized, in the sense that to date research has not led to the emergence of robust
testable predictions, say, something comparable in scientific status to the life-cycle
theory of savings or the Hecksher-Ohlin
Fred Guy writes: >... The tendency on the list seems to be to blame the IMF/WTO/USA for
forcing markets open and requiring one-size-fits-all neo-liberal policies. Which is
true
as far as it goes, but why has national resistance crumbled almost everywhere?<
Obviously, for a disease to infect a bo
> Bill, I thought that Ian was just being humerous. Yes, the M' exceeds M,
> but these equations just give a capitalist vision of reality. Say that I
> buy a slave for $1 and make a good that I sell for $5. But if I had to go
> back an repay the slave for the unpaid labor, I might have to pa
Anyone know if the 1951 petition to the U.N. of the Civil Rights
Congress, as introduced by William L. Patterson, "We Charge Genocide!, " had
as one of it's demands, reparations? It's a hunch of mine that before,
Randall Robinson and NCOBRA
http://www.google.com/search?q=NCOBRA+&btnG=Google+Sea
Um, if capitalism is a zero sum game, how come incomes are a million
times higher than they used to be, and how come people live longer,
can read, etc. etc.?Doug
Zero sum or not, the debt could still be inordinately
huge, essentially unpayable.
I've been drifting on this issue. Anyone wh
Fred Guy wrote:
>Discussion of national development models seems to be more popular. I
>know it's asking for trouble to characterize the views of a list, but
>I'll say there is a general bias in favor of state led capitalist
>development, whether inward (Argentina, India) or outward (Korea,
>Taiwa
Actually, discussion of models of socialism _is_ popular here--it;s just
that Michael P can't stand the discussion, and stomps on it when it emerges.
Sorry, Michael, you do! --jks
>From: Fred Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: Progressive Economics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>S
Um, if capitalism is a zero sum game, how come incomes are a million
times higher than they used to be, and how come people live longer,
can read, etc. etc.?
Doug
Michael Perelman wrote:
>
> Come on, Louis. You can do better than this. Everyone must recognize
> that the administration of reparations will raise difficulties. I suspect
> that the best solution would be to give money to the community rather than
> to individuals, but even then I am not su
> > BLS DAILY REPORT, WEDNESDAY, APRIL 18, 2001:
>> The Federal Reserve reports a rebound in manufacturing, especially in autos, boosted
total production of the nation's industrial sector to a 0.4 percent seasonally adjusted
rise in March. But the burst of factory output could not make up for a v
Michael Perelman writes: >> I suspect that captalism is a zero sum game. If the
capitalists had to make restitution to everybody from whom they profited -- Black
slaves,
native Americans, victims of imperialism, etc., they would have a bill many times
greater
than their wealth.<<
Saith Ian: >
I'm an occasional lurker on this list. I can see that the discussion of
models of socialism is not terribly popular, not surprisingly, since it
is contentious and speculative. To say nothing of raising the very tough
problem of the lacunae in Engels' blithe reference to "the
administration of thi
I have resubbed to this list, but with great
trepidation because it seems to have become
a rough place. When I read Perelman, for
instance, I notice my subsequent credit card statement
includes a charge of $79.95. When I finish
reading Devine and look up, it's 7:45 pm and
the cleaning people are
Bill, I thought that Ian was just being humerous. Yes, the M' exceeds M,
but these equations just give a capitalist vision of reality. Say that I
buy a slave for $1 and make a good that I sell for $5. But if I had to go
back an repay the slave for the unpaid labor, I might have to pay $10.
On
> BLS DAILY REPORT, WEDNESDAY, APRIL 18, 2001:
>
> RELEASED TODAY: Median weekly earnings of the nation's 99.1 million
> full-time wage and salary workers were $592 in the first quarter of 2001,
> the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. This was 3.0 percent
> higher than a year earlier,
On Wednesday, April 18, 2001 at 21:45:12 (-0700) Michael Perelman writes:
>I suspect that captalism is a zero sum game. ...
Hmm, I don't agree. As Ian points out, M-C-M' is still the name of
the game. It's who grabs the lion's share of M' that is the problem.
I might say that it closely resem
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