Re: Blair on terrorism

2001-10-02 Thread Chris Burford
At 02/10/01 07:17 -1000, Steve wrote: >I'm now listening to the speech by Tony Blair on Minnesota Public Radio. >I almost get the sense that this speech was designed to not only rally >Europeans behind the American military, but also to let the American >people hear the ideology of that instituti

hawala pre-capitalist credit system

2001-10-02 Thread Chris Burford
>The system was in place long before Western banking. The ancient Chinese >used a similar method called "flying money," or fei-ch'ien. Arab traders >used it as means of avoiding robbery in the days of the Silk Road. > >In both cases, a merchant who delivered goods received a certificate that

"The algebra of infinite justice", by Arundhati Roy

2001-10-02 Thread SOncu
[This is a long article. I don't know if someone sent this to the list already. The list archives have not been updated since September 30th and I don't get individual mails. So I apologize if this is a repeat.] The Guardian (London), September 29, 2001 "The algebra of infinite justice", by Ar

Another Wolf howler

2001-10-02 Thread Ian Murray
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How trade can help the world The tragic events in America should not be allowed to halt the development of a more integrated global economy, says Martin Wolf Published: October 2 2001 19:55 | Last Updated: October 2 2001 19:58 Globalisation is dead. So declare many pundits,

the weapons of peace

2001-10-02 Thread Ian Murray
< http://europa.eu.int/comm/trade/speeches_articles/spla69_en.htm > EU Trade policy after 11 September 2001 Comments by Pascal Lamy, EU Trade Commissioner, to the European Parliament's Committee for Industry, Trade, Research and Energy, 17 September 2001 Let me begin by expressing my deeply felt

Bears..........

2001-10-02 Thread Ian Murray
[the Independent] Jonathan Davis: America's tragedy may be the catalyst to market reform 03 October 2001 It may just be a stubborn Panglossian streak, but I cannot find it in me to be downcast at the market fallout from the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. It is not merely that the c

Re: Forwarded from Mark Jones

2001-10-02 Thread Ian Murray
From: "Michael Perelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Right now it's more important to go out and to organise, than it > is to > rehearse old debates. The intellectual argument has been won, and > events > only confirm that imperialism has entered a general crisis of > unprecedented > depth. Let us

What happens if they purge us from the antiglobalization movement?

2001-10-02 Thread SOncu
September 27, 2001 - Washington Times Communists, go home Robert Stacy McCain Ten years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, communists are taking over Washington — or at least, the National Mall. Most in the media would have you believe that the protesters who will gather Saturd

Evidence against bin Laden

2001-10-02 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Andy and Jim, > BTW, as far as I know, there are NO bin Laden supporters or > sympathizers on pen-l. To whom are you referring? The only way that people on pen-l > can be seen as supporting bin Laden is if one makes the Osama bin Laden-type > assumption that the world is black and white, s

eqbal ahmad on osama bin laden

2001-10-02 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
Michael, you may already have seen this. here is something by someone who knew something about osama bin laden I am afraid however that if Eqbal Ahmad has captured the sense of the Arab people, then we are now entering a period of ever intensifying conflict. the US cannot afford for its House

Re: Prozac

2001-10-02 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, Jim Devine writes, awhile back, Carrol Cox reacted to my comment that I'd heard that after 911 Prozac usage was up -- by saying that it takes weeks before it (and I guess other SSRIs) have an impact. I agree: however, it's a symptom of the nature of our times that it was

Re: Forwarded from Mark Jones

2001-10-02 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, I want very much to second Mark Jones comments. I was thinking this evening how this is the time to organize. How angry I feel with the way things are going. Every day now I hear more people I know coming under the gun and the layoffs keep mounting. I want to say

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Evidence against bin Laden

2001-10-02 Thread Michael Perelman
I have already been hearing resports of intrusive FBI investigations of people who have had no possible connection with the bombing -- for instance, a SF branch of the peace group, Women in Black. On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 05:42:20PM -1000, Stephen E Philion wrote: > I foresee at some point a man w

Re: Re: Re: RE: Evidence against bin Laden

2001-10-02 Thread Stephen E Philion
I foresee at some point a man with a white piece of paper in his hand stating, "I have here the names of dozens of known Bin Laden supporters in the White House." Steve On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Michael Perelman wrote: > I concur with Jim. We have no need to discuss the bin Laden here, > expeci

Prozac

2001-10-02 Thread Jim Devine
awhile back, Carrol Cox reacted to my comment that I'd heard that after 911 Prozac usage was up -- by saying that it takes weeks before it (and I guess other SSRIs) have an impact. I agree: however, it's a symptom of the nature of our times that it was _prescribed_, despite the long lag time. F

Re: Re: RE: Evidence against bin Laden

2001-10-02 Thread Michael Perelman
I concur with Jim. We have no need to discuss the bin Laden here, expecially when we know so little about him and his organization. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

petrodollarism, not oilism

2001-10-02 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
In grossman's reconstruction of marx's theory of accumulation and crisis, the capitalist system comes to suffer from a break-down in international cooperation. spiro's findings are consistent with marxian theory here. >From the review by Michael Anderson in Business History Review, Summer 2000

Re: RE: Evidence against bin Laden

2001-10-02 Thread Jim Devine
Andrew Austin wrote: >Even if bin Laden's supporters and sympathizers wish to ignore the >evidence that is leaking out the pores of official sources all over the >world, there is plenty of hard evidence on the series of terrorist actions >organized by bin Laden already publically available. Cru

Forwarded from Mark Jones

2001-10-02 Thread Michael Perelman
Right now it's more important to go out and to organise, than it is to rehearse old debates. The intellectual argument has been won, and events only confirm that imperialism has entered a general crisis of unprecedented depth. Let us be practical revolutionaries, find in our hearts a little bit

petrodollarism, not oilism

2001-10-02 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
In grossman's reconstruction of marx's theory of accumulation and crisis, the capitalist system comes to suffer from a break-down in international cooperation. spiro's findings are consistent with marxian theory here. >From the review by Michael Anderson in Business History Review, Summer 2000

petrodollarism, not oilism--reply to Fred.

2001-10-02 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
first i would like to underline my abhorence for any and everything osama bin laden does stand for. as reactionary as the saudi regime is, i do not doubt that osama bin laden would bring on an even worse nightmare--this is so obvious in the horrifically callous disregard for innocent life manif

RE: Evidence against bin Laden

2001-10-02 Thread Austin, Andrew
Even if bin Laden's supporters and sympathizers wish to ignore the evidence that is leaking out the pores of official sources all over the world, there is plenty of hard evidence on the series of terrorist actions organized by bin Laden already publically available. Cruise the FBI website and chec

Afghan, Middle East and Central Asian music show from Seattle next 3 hours

2001-10-02 Thread Ian Murray
< http://www.kexp.org/ >

Evidence against bin Laden

2001-10-02 Thread Ken Hanly
>From AFP: Washington welcomed both Blair's speech and NATO's response to the evidence it presented, but declined to offer any clues on what that evidence was and flatly rejected a request from the Taliban to be given some of it too COMMENT: So even though theTaliban offered to give up bin Laden

Theatre of Good and Evil: E. Galeano

2001-10-02 Thread Ken Hanly
La Jornada September 21, 2001 Theatre of Good and Evil By Eduardo Galeano In the fight between Good and Evil, it is always the people who contribute the dead. The terrorists have killed workers from fifty countries, in New York and in Washington, in the name of Good against Evil. And, i

tectonic shifts

2001-10-02 Thread Chris Burford
Secondary themes in the political statements Tuesday are remarkable. US is going explicitly to back a Palestinian state. Blair quite unecessarily declared the need to have the courage to argue the case for entering the Euro, if the economic conditions are met. The only purpose of such a statem

Oil and the law of value

2001-10-02 Thread Chris Burford
I regret if Mark is indeed not contributing to the list at present although he obviously cannot respond to every question about oil. Anyway I think some of the cross purposes are that people are looking at it from different perspectives. Despite the recent fall in the oil price I have been ful

chomsky on msnbc now

2001-10-02 Thread Stephen E Philion
chomsky is having a full hour on msnbc, it's remarkable. right now. steve Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI 96822

BLS Daily Report

2001-10-02 Thread Richardson_D
> BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 2, 2001: > > The Labor Department's Pension and Welfare Benefits Administration posted > a media advisory on the agency's web page providing information to help > workers facing job loss preserve their health coverage. The department >

Terrorism in Kashmir

2001-10-02 Thread Ken Hanly
Even if this happened in the Wyoming legislature it would be front page news in the US. Will it even register in US media I wonder even though terrorism is the topic of the month? Cheers, Ken Hanly >From The Nation Suicide bomber, gunfight kill 30 in Held Kashmir SRINAGAR (Agencies) - Some 30

Article by Rabbi Michael Lerner

2001-10-02 Thread Ken Hanly
A World Out of Touch With Itself: Where the Violence Comes From by Rabbi Michael Lerner, Editor, TIKKUN Magazine Sep 12, 2001 There is never any justification for acts of terror against innocent civilians--it is the quintessential act of dehumanization and not recognizing the sanctity

War Vets Against War (US)

2001-10-02 Thread Ken Hanly
September 27, 2001 >From the National Office of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Inc.: Vietnam Veterans Against the War Statement on September 11 attacks The terrorist attacks on September 11 horrified and outraged people throughout this country and the world. Within hours, the World Trade Ce

Blair on terrorism

2001-10-02 Thread Stephen E Philion
I'm now listening to the speech by Tony Blair on Minnesota Public Radio. I almost get the sense that this speech was designed to not only rally Europeans behind the American military, but also to let the American people hear the ideology of that institution expressed in a coherent and eloquent fas

Duham NAACP Backs up minister

2001-10-02 Thread Stephen E Philion
http://www.newsobserver.com/tuesday/news/triangle/Story/823471p-815669c.html Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI 96822

ANOTHER SIDE OF OUR NATIONAL EMERGENCY

2001-10-02 Thread Charles Brown
ANOTHER SIDE OF OUR NATIONAL EMERGENCY Communist Party USA Statement on the Economic Crisis September 25—The US economy was already suffering record job loss before the terrible events of September 11. In August the AFL-CIO estimated that 800,000 manufacturing jobs had been lost in the curren

War on terrorism

2001-10-02 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Carl, > Tony the Terrible is a sight to behold. I think of the UK as the > Cheshire Cat of imperialism; the martial might has disappeared, and all that > remains is the sanctimonious Attitude hanging disembodied in midair. That nails it! 'Course, I suspect it's an Anglo-Saxon thing. Oz

Re: War on terrorism

2001-10-02 Thread Carl Remick
>From: Rob Schaap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Oh, Blair's on - a moving human interest angle followed by a familiar >war-to-end-all-wars refrain ... Is there no end to the >man's cheek? Tony the Terrible is a sight to behold. I think of the UK as the Cheshire Cat of imperialism; the martial might has

Re: The Guardian and MI5

2001-10-02 Thread Jim Devine
At 11:45 AM 10/2/01 +0300, you wrote: >Spy Story > >Private Eye, No. 1037 > >21 September - 4 October 2001 Michael, shouldn't it be basic that we should distrust all of the bourgeois media -- not just the GUARDIAN -- because they have clear bourgeois biases, including favoring the national sec

Chomsky on CNBC today

2001-10-02 Thread Stephen E Philion
Chomsky will be on CNBC toady Go to : http://www.msnbc.com/chat/default.asp Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI 96822

Fw: [marxist] "Anti-Terrorist" bills -- Comprises & ContinuingConcerns

2001-10-02 Thread Michael Pugliese
Sabri, kibbitz away with my pal, Hunterbear aka Hunter Gray here. Michael - Original Message - From: "Michael Pugliese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [ASDnet] "Anti-Terrorist" bills -- Comprises & Continuing Concerns

Fw: What Energy Resources Lie in the Caspian Sea Basin?

2001-10-02 Thread Michael Pugliese
From a militia list. The URK links to the CFR. Michael Pugliese - Original Message - From: "American Patriot Friends Network" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "APFN Yahoogroups" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 11:52 PM Subject: The Failure of U.S. Intelligence > > The Fai

S29 Anti-War Rally in D.C. (from International A.N.S.W.E.R.)

2001-10-02 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Photos, streaming videos, etc. from the S29 Rally against War & Racism in Washington, D.C., at . Yoshie

S29 Anti-War Rally in Columbus, OH (from the OSU Lantern)

2001-10-02 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
The anti-war coalition in Columbus, OH held a rally & march on September 29. The rally & march was covered by the Ohio State University's student paper _The Lantern_: Alicia Code, "High Street Site of Calm Anti-War Rally" at .

Re: Guardian state - identity cards

2001-10-02 Thread Jim Devine
At 06:09 PM 10/02/2001 +, you wrote: >. It was also very hard (Martin Guerre aside) to pretend to be >someone else - nowadays, anything that depends on computers and cards can be >wrong or forged, and difficult to find, check, disprove and correct. Recently, there's been a rash of "identity

Capitalism's ethic is "grow or die."

2001-10-02 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Penpals, >From Stratfor, via LBO's Bryan Atinsky, who asks apposite questions, I think. I agree with the substance of Bryan's reservations, but feel that doesn't so much auger well for Japan as badly for the US (and the rest of us). Short of a fully fledged war economy, hundreds of billio

War on terrorism

2001-10-02 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day all, Well, it's clearly been decided that the decisive rump of us don't require itemised evidence before our polities enter a war. It also seems that the UN has been well and truly been put in its place; America has a convenient complex of bilateral arrangements in place now, and the ever

Re: Guardian state - identity cards

2001-10-02 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists, Rob Schaap writes, ..." we should remember that we do not in fact live in villages, and that computer records and smartcard IDs are not the mode of identification that held at that time. People you don't know, over whom you have no reciprocal knowledge-power, no sanctio

New question to Mark (was oilism)

2001-10-02 Thread manuel resende
Hi everybody: Sorry. I don't intend to absorb your attention with non-demanded issues, and I have just discovered this one goes on for a long time with everybody standing in the same original position. But… I would like to ask Mark Jones (if nobody has done it until now) if he is aware that

Sacramento S11 teach-in

2001-10-02 Thread Seth Sandronsky
Oct. 2, 2001 Hi PEN-L: Last night I attended a teach-in on the S11 crisis at the Newman Center across from CSU, Sacramento. About 160 people listened to three CSUS professors make 20-minute presentations on the crisis, its national and global causes and effects. Then the audience asked them

comments, please

2001-10-02 Thread Michael Keaney
Jim D. wrote: >Mark was also asking, if I understand him correctly, how, in light of the >2d law of thermo., we could maintain anything like life as we know it. Yes, Mark puts a big emphasis on natural constraints: it seems that he believes that we're running out of oil and that this is inevita

War on terrorism

2001-10-02 Thread Michael Keaney
Penners One way to show terrorists that theirs is the futile way is to be resolute and carry on as before. Consumers consume, stock market traders trade, arms dealers deal Arms Bizarre Private Eye, No. 1037 21 September - 4 October 2001 The time-honoured practice, exposed by the Scott Inq

Privatisation Eye

2001-10-02 Thread Michael Keaney
Penners One of the best sources of current information regarding the Blair administration's efforts to privatise everything that can be nailed down is Private Eye, which has taken, with great gusto, to exposing the various networks and linkages connecting big business, academia, "civil society" a

The Guardian and MI5

2001-10-02 Thread Michael Keaney
Spy Story Private Eye, No. 1037 21 September - 4 October 2001 An interesting defence by Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger of his decision to run interminable extracts from the memoirs of former spymistress Stella Rimington: "There are no great secrets in it," he told Sky News, "and that is the ir

The superiority of Western civilization

2001-10-02 Thread Michael Keaney
An enemy of democracy Berlusconi has learned that it's more profitable to manipulate the parliamentary system than to overthrow it Paul Foot Tuesday October 2, 2001 The Guardian What did the Italian prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi, mean when he said he was "confident of the superiority of our

Guardian state - identity cards

2001-10-02 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Chris, > Yesterday a government minister, Jeff Rooker, indicated at a fringe > meeting that the government had no interest in introducting identity cards. > > I in fact generally agree with the arguments of Peter Preston. In a > radically democratic and humane society our identities shoul

Another blow to MI5

2001-10-02 Thread Michael Keaney
Test case allows 'right to know' on MI5 files Richard Norton-Taylor Tuesday October 2, 2001 The Guardian The government's blanket ban preventing anyone from knowing whether MI5 holds files on them is unlawful, it was ruled yesterday. In a landmark decision, a special panel of the new informatio

Oil be darned

2001-10-02 Thread Michael Keaney
Smaller groups get to know the drill Shrinking natural gas reserves in the US and mergers between larger companies are helping to drive a new wave of consolidation Financial Times, Sep 28, 2001 By SHEILA MCNULTY As Texaco prepares to merge next month into the history books - its 100-year histor

The return of nationalism

2001-10-02 Thread Michael Keaney
Chris B. wrote: I in fact generally agree with the arguments of Peter Preston. In a radically democratic and humane society our identities should not need to be secret. We should all have as much privacy as in a village. The class that would really be hit by that is the capitalist class, who n