Re: Krugman on good news

2003-11-28 Thread Mike Ballard
--- Eubulides <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Jeebus..] Quite intriquing that workers keep producing and producing, yet *we* appear to be in debt to other ruling classes of the world. I guess there's nothing left to do but to take over and run the means of production for ourselves. Wake up

the weirdest spam I ever got

2003-11-28 Thread Michael Pollak
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Re: the weirdest spam I ever got

2003-11-28 Thread dsquared
I think it's Billy Joel's working notes for the 1990s update of "We Didn't Start The Fire". dd On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:39:17 -0500, Michael Pollak wrote: > > [picnic.jpg] adulthood boggle botswana expressly > polluted messy sanely > acquit playtime bostonian hoses hunted count billie > thence ex

Re: the weirdest spam I ever got

2003-11-28 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Didn't remember that one. Pretty sharp. http://uploader.wuerzburg.de/gym-fkg/schule/fachber/englisch/joel/songtext.h tml "We Didn't Start the Fire" is a song about blame and about victims. A song about problems brought on by a society's lack of concern for the rights of their fellow man. A song ab

War costs - latest from the UK

2003-11-28 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Al Jazeera reports (28 November 2003) that the invasion and occupation of Iraq have cost Britain more than two billion pounds ($3.4 billion). In March, UK chancellor Gordon Brown earmarked £1.75 billion for the war, and two years of war is estimated to cost British taxpayers up £3.6 billion. "Quoti

Winners and losers

2003-11-28 Thread Louis Proyect
In today's NY Times, Paul Krugman defends the capitalist model of development: "But in the mid-1970's, development economics was just too depressing to pursue. Indeed, it might as well have been called non-development economics. No third world nation had made the transition to advanced-country sta

Re: [Marxism] Winners and losers

2003-11-28 Thread Michael Perelman
Louis Proyect wrote: > In today's NY Times, Paul Krugman defends the capitalist model of development: I suspect something else is involved here in this editorial. The key might be in the opening statement: "I've heard it said that I should try, just once, to write something upbeat." Where you th

international education

2003-11-28 Thread Eubulides
For Chinese Tycoons, Formal Lessons in Capitalism MBA Program Is Billed as First Partnership of a U.S. Business School, Republic's Government By Peter S. Goodman Washington Post Foreign Service Friday, November 28, 2003; Page D13 SHANGHAI -- Inside the classroom, the heads of some of China's lar

Re: [Marxism] Winners and losers

2003-11-28 Thread Louis Proyect
I suspect something else is involved here in this editorial. The key might be in the opening statement: "I've heard it said that I should try, just once, to write something upbeat." Speaking of NY Times pressure on journalists, I strongly urge everyone to look for John Hess's "My Times: a Memoi

Re: Winners and losers

2003-11-28 Thread Mike Ballard
--- Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In today's NY Times, Paul Krugman defends the > capitalist model of development: > > "But in the mid-1970's, development economics was > just too depressing to > pursue. Indeed, it might as well have been called > non-development > economics. No third

Re: Winners and losers

2003-11-28 Thread Louis Proyect
Capitalist apologetics aside, this report shows the immiseration which has occured for most people under the rule of world Capital: http://cepr.net/globalization/scorecard_on_globalization.htm Regards, Mike B) Part of the problem is that there are two sets of figures, almost like Enron's p&l stat

Re: Malthus/Thanksgiving

2003-11-28 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/27/03 3:13:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Melvin, neither I nor Mark Jones when was alive were "Malthusian", neo or otherwise. Karl Marx was keenly aware of ecological limits. In his age the crisis revolved around soil fertility. Soil exhaustion had be

Re: Europe's cheap US labor

2003-11-28 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
> No. The point is to change that reality and that can > only be done by consciously organizing as a class > across the borders and fences put up by our national > ruling classes. Well, my argument would be 1) if you're serious about that, "anti-globalisation" doesn't make much sense at all 2) p

Re: Krugman on good news

2003-11-28 Thread Michael Pollak
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Krugman was quoted saying > Now we know that the club isn't that exclusive, after all. South Korea and > several smaller Asian economies have made a full transition to modernity. > China is still a poor country, but it has made astonishing progress. And > there are signs of an

NYT Op Ed: Why We Need Gays in the Military

2003-11-28 Thread Michael Pollak
[Not that I'd make it a campaign issue . . . But his concluding paragraph comes to a satisfyingly sharp point.] URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/28/opinion/28FRAN.html The New York Times November 28, 2003 OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR Why We Need Gays in the Military By NATHANIEL FRANK T en y

Re: Malthus/Thanksgiving

2003-11-28 Thread Louis Proyect
Melvin wrote: Starting from the existence of a communist society - based on this stage of development, means the reemergence of human sexuality and concepts such as homosexuality lose their force and have no meaning. Not everything can be reduced to modes of production. In primitive hunting and gat

Re: Malthus/Thanksgiving

2003-11-28 Thread Michael Perelman
Melvin, we have had enough of the homosexuality debate. Please drop it. On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 06:38:34PM -0500, Louis Proyect wrote: > Melvin wrote: > >Starting from the > >existence of a communist society - based on this stage of development, > >means the > >reemergence of human sexuality and

Miami fallout cont.

2003-11-28 Thread Eubulides
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/columnists/jim_defede/7363245.htm Posted on Thu, Nov. 27, 2003 JIM DEFEDE/COMMENTARY Thanks to cops, the anarchists are the winners For a week, Miami leaders have been praising police for preventing the type of property damage Seattle had during the 1999

Re: Europe's cheap US labor

2003-11-28 Thread Mike Ballard
Hi Jurriaan, --- Jurriaan Bendien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No. The point is to change that reality and that > can > > only be done by consciously organizing as a class > > across the borders and fences put up by our > national > > ruling classes. > > Well, my argument would be > > 1) if you

Re: Malthus/Thanksgiving

2003-11-28 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Melvin, Without wanting to raise the whole issue of Stalinism again, I'd just like to say that in my opinion you aren't a Stalinist in terms of what you write. Your "problem" if anything is different - you seem to believe that, under very difficult circumstances, Stalin's regime advanced the trans

Re: Europe's cheap US labor

2003-11-28 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
> The way I view "anti-globalisation" is a part of the > overall *movement* resisting the rule of Capital. Well of course you have to support "resistance" if it is resistance against real oppression and real exploitation, if it is effective, and if that resistance expands the scope of human freedo

Re: Malthus/Thanksgiving

2003-11-28 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/28/03 3:36:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Melvin wrote:>Starting from the>existence of a communist society - based on this stage of development,>means the>reemergence of human sexuality and concepts such as homosexuality lose>their force>and have no

Re: Malthus/Thanksgiving

2003-11-28 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/28/03 3:38:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please drop it. Sorry, I sent a reply before reading this.   Melvin P.

Re: Soviet

2003-11-28 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 11/28/03 4:03:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Melvin,Without wanting to raise the whole issue of Stalinism again, I'd just liketo say that in my opinion you aren't a Stalinist in terms of what you write.Your "problem" if anything is different - you seem

Re: Europe's cheap US labor

2003-11-28 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: "Jurriaan Bendien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For me the ghettoisation trend involves much more, and because it is ceteris > paribus the longterm tendency, the "anti-globalisation" rhetoric is doubly > ridiculous. Like I said, they should join the flat earth society.

Re: Europe's cheap US labor

2003-11-28 Thread Mike Ballard
--- Jurriaan Bendien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But I think there is often > more "rhetoric" about > resistance than "real resistance". At stake in this > "anti-globalisation" > debate is arguing effectively for socialist > alternatives and whether you can > pick a fight you can win, and that real

European Social Forum

2003-11-28 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
* EUROPEAN SOCIAL FORUM: `Constructing another Europe, another world' BY SUSAN AUSTIN PARIS - The second European Social Forum, held in Paris from November 12-15, attracted around 50,000 people, mainly from the countries of the Europe Union. The ESF is modeled on the World Social Forum (WSF),

US: manufacturing

2003-11-28 Thread Eubulides
Some Lost Jobs May Never Come Back Improved Productivity Allowed Manufacturers to Reduce Payrolls Permanently By John M. Berry Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, November 29, 2003; Page E01 Nearly a quarter of a century ago, when the number of manufacturing jobs in the United States peaked a