Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

Well I think that substantiates your argument and my argument. I think David Schanoes is entitled to his viewpoint, but surely if a pithy article is written in the NYT explaining what is wrong with Greenspan's idea, then that helps us much more than a bunch of abuse and character assasination ?

Re: Answering Ted Glick

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/28/04 10:15 AM But isn't that because Truman took a hard shift to the left to co-opt Wallace supporters? But presidential campaigns are where the most intense discussions about war and peace, the economy, race, etc. are held. People's attention are riveted on them in a way

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Re: article on MR website

Michael Yates wrote: What went wrong? Looking at the broad sweep of history, we can perhaps identify some of the forces at work and bad decisions taken. First, as Marx pointed out, capitalism creates workers in its own image. It is hard for workers to grasp the nature of their circumstances, ..

Re: He does have a point

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/27/04 6:13 PM I have it on good authority that Peter Camejo actually doesn't intend to run for president -- he (probably along with several other candidates currently running in the Green primaries) is a placeholder for Ralph Nader. The Green Party needs to run a

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

Gee, I think it proves my point: that Greenspan, rather than being an erudite thinker with a misguided theory, is a scam artist, not unlike Keating,Skilling, or Fastow, hired to justify whatever the bourgeoisie need next in terms of cash flow. What character assassination? He did recommend

Re: Economic question

I get the feeling that the international financial system is perhaps the weakest link in the whole world economy. That is a very long story, and, apart from requiring further research, in one mail I can only do a bit of justice to your important economic question. The question I would ask, is

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

What character assassination? He did recommend Keating. He did tell Thailand to eat baht. He did recommend increased SS taxes, and if you look several years back at his Congressional testimony, you'll see him stating that SS was not facing financial ruin due to the pre-collection scheme. I

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

I'm not IN politics. Aint no opinion, it's a fact-- he's a scam artist, paid flack, not unlike the consultants paid to hype and protect Enron, Tyco, Parmalat. Look at the record of what he's done, his testimony. Next thing you'll be telling us is that Jack Welch is a great leader of men and

Re: He does have a point

Marx wrote: The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it (Die Philosophen haben die Welt nur verschieden interpretiert; es kommt aber darauf an, sie zu verändern). Alvin Gouldner then philosophises: Marxism is not attempting simply to understand

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

Next thing you'll be telling us is that Jack Welch is a great leader of men and women with a misquided theory, Kissinger is a great diplomat with a mistaken world view, Oliver North is a real humanitarian who made a poor career choice. That is why I associate with few Marxists, because they

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

And one last thing: Let's not forget to whom Mr. Greenspan is beholden: and that's not von Hayek, Ayn Rand, or Adam Smith, it's finance capital. And finance capital wants SS privatized so it can get the rake off. Ever since the collapse of 2000-01, Wall Street has been trying to re-establish

Re: He does have a point

Michael Hoover wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/27/04 6:13 PM so some folks are apparently willing to 'placehold' for guy who stiffed them in '96, was unable to accomplish goal of getting 5% of nationwide vote to quality for 2004 matching funds, and is essentially - and always has been -

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

Follow the cash. It's that simple. If it were any more difficult, Greenspan would be flipping burgers at McDonald's. Okay. J.

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Re: He does have a point

JB quotes: Alvin Gouldner then philosophises: Marxism is not attempting simply to understand society; it does not only predict the rise of a revolutionary proletariat that will overturn capitalism, but also actively mobilizes persons to do this. It intervenes to change the world. The problem is

Hobbes and Darwin in China

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/29/weekinreview/29zhao.html China's Wealthy Live by a Creed: Hobbes and Darwin, Meet Marx By YILU ZHAO BEIJING — The rich in China these days are moving into the villages of Napa Valley, Palm Springs, Long Beach, Upper East Side and Park Avenue, all in the suburbs

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

What does this add to the list. Nobody here supports G. or his policy. Merely calling names is a waste of bandwidth. On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:21:51AM -0500, dmschanoes wrote: I'm not IN politics. Aint no opinion, it's a fact-- he's a scam artist, paid flack, not unlike the consultants

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

dms writes: Let's not forget to whom Mr. Greenspan is beholden: and that's not von Hayek, Ayn Rand, or Adam Smith, it's finance capital. And finance capital wants SS privatized so it can get the rake off. Ever since the collapse of 2000-01, Wall Street has been trying to re-establish support for

Re: He does have a point

Yoshie Furuhashi wrote (02/27/04 6:13 PM) The Green Party needs to run a presidential candidate, especially in war times, since it is the executive branch of the federal government that determines foreign policy, making life-and-death decisions on matters of war and peace. Running candidates

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

Ok, since you ask me specifically, I suggest you reread JB's original and follow up posts, where Greenspan is referred to positively as economic thinker with an incorrect theory. That is fetishization to the max. I didn't merely call Greenspan names, I pointed out why the labels fit--- scam

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

- Original Message - From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime Well, since I'm being addressed specifically, let me violate the three and out rule: dms

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

I didn't think that what David wrote was abuse and character assassination. Impassioned critique perhaps. Pointing out some very obvious and noxious facts abut Mr. G Joanna Jurriaan Bendien wrote: Well I think that substantiates your argument and my argument. I think David Schanoes is

Estanblished Trade Unions Left Politics, was Re: He does have a point

Marvin Gandall wrote: I regularly vote for the social-democratic NDP in Canada. But I think it's worth pointing out, for the purposes of your debate, that I don't do so because I think the party, in the unlikely event it should take power at the national level, will govern much differently

Re: He does have a point

what obliges people to change the system? Marx took for granted the general antipathy of the socialist and communist movements of his day toward capitalism. Jim, I agree with the substance of what you say. But in your last sentence, I am inclined to think this ignores that it isn't pretty

Protest US Intervention in Venezuela (Mon., March 1, 2004, DC)

--- Washington DC, March 1, 2004 --- Protest against US intervention in Venezuela Bush's Administration Supports Fraud to Overthrow Chavez Stop US Intervention! Respect Democracy and Popular Will in Venezuela! Monday, March 1st, 11:30 AM at OAS Building 17th Street Constitution Ave. N.W.,

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

That, the above, was/is the sole and whole reason I took issue with JB's characterization of AG as a deep economic thinker with a wrong theory. One thing David Schanoes is very good at is falsely presenting somebody else's point of view. On previous occasions he has written to me or about me

Re: He does have a point

I agree with your critique of Marxism -- but as for the ratio of male to female Marxists, I don't know that this is anything more than a reflection of the general ratio of males to females in any political/economic/historic discussion. For cultural reasons, women are not encouraged or supported in

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

I generally agree with what DMS said in the stuff above the following quotes. I wrote: I'd say that many or most people and institutions which are financiers (or finance capitalists) would benefit from the privatization of the SS system. Because of their disproportionate political and economic

The lover of the devil: obtaining knowledge and the nuance of feminism fatigue

In Holland, when you are tired of pornography in its various forms, there is a new magazine women can buy, called Strictly Magazine. The ethos of Strictly Magazine is explained by the editor, Hermelijn van der Meijden, as follows: If you want to live long, you have to have sex often. Research has

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

Juriaan wrote ..I cannot assess the depth or profundity of AG's economic thinking, but the odds are that the ruling classes do not permit a shallow thinker to become chairman. unless he works hard to meet their needs. Frankly Juriaan, you surprise me. You, of all people, are perfectly

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

I didn't think that what David wrote was abuse and character assassination. Impassioned critique perhaps. Pointing out some very obvious and noxious facts abut Mr. G That shows more about what you are than about Al Greenspan and David Schanoes. J.

Re: He does have a point

I agree with your critique of Marxism Feminism and Marxism are oppressive if they tell you what you should do or think, rather than explain and exemplify why you should do it. J.

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

unless he works hard to meet their needs. Frankly Juriaan, you surprise me. You, of all people, are perfectly aware of the mediocrity and shalowness that characterizes a lot of economic stars. It is no different in economics than in society at large. The shit rises to the top. I see this

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

Jurriaan Bendien wrote: Rather than sitting in on moral judgement about me, why don't you explainthen how it is that the shit is able to rise to the top. What do you know about Greenspan ? The shit rises to the top because the game is not about innovation or creativity or productivity...but about

Re: Estanblished Trade Unions Left Politics, was Re: He does have a point

I agree with you, Carrol, when you associate radical trade unionism activity with the historic labour struggles for recognition and collective bargaining rights. And also your points concerning the decline in trade union density within the society, and the scarcity of politically-conscious

Paul Marlor Sweezy (1910-2004)

Just came back from a conference in Turkey and heard the sad news (two weeks before my short course on reading the TCD, Sweezy's classic). I had great memories of him both here in the US and also in Turkey, when I invited him to give a talk in 1994 --he was extremely touched by the standing

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

In summation let me say a couple of things: 1. I am gratified to see a thread sustained that actually considers purpose and cause re economists and social struggle. I think far too often the lack of exchange is not a desire to save bandwidth, but simply the result of short attention span

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

The shit rises to the top because the game is not about innovation or creativity or productivity...but about collaboration. That's like saying, it all depends on who you want to work with. As a technical writer, you should know that shit is produced through digesting food. Food enters the

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

- Original Message - From: Jurriaan Bendien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime For 2003 as a whole, new money flowing into the hedging industry in the US is estimated at

Wasting bandwidth. Was Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

David asked me to make the call. Here it is: just about everybody on the list knows about Alan Greenspan and the savings-and-loan scandal. Just about everybody on the list knows about Alan Greenspan and Ayn Rand. The argument about whether we should support anyone but Bush or reject both parties

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

Your remarks are irrelevant, because it ignores what currency hedging expresses. One more point-- your remarks to Joanna Bujes are completely out of line and have no place in public communications. Okay Mr FBI, perhaps you ought to get it on with Joanna. You just try to show how smart you

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

Joanna is correct here. One problem with list communication is that people challenge one another by name and then the challenged party responds ad infinitum boring everybody but the people involved. No useful purpose is served by such exchanges. On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 10:46:55AM -0800, joanna

note from a grocery strike solidarity group leader

This might serve as a comment on my article, responses to it, andabout workers and also recent posts on unions. It was written by a young leader of a group in solidarity with the grocery strikers: Now that the strike is over I actually

DeLong on Paul Sweezy

http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/Index.html/ Have fun

Re: DeLong on Paul Sweezy

The day that fool DeLong returns to this list is the day I picket Michael Perelman's house. He is a disgusting red-baiter. If he were in front of me now I would smack him in the mouth. Michael Yates - Original Message - From: Eubulides To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: DeLong on Paul Sweezy

quoth deLong: Fill in the blank: Paul Sweezy was a . fill in the blank: Brad deLong is an ___hole. -Original Message- From: MICHAEL YATES [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 2/29/2004 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc:

Re: note from a grocery strike solidarity group leader

Thank you. I am glad that something positive may have come out of the strike. MICHAEL YATES wrote: ?xml:namespace prefix=v /?xml:namespace prefix=o /This might serve as a comment on my article, responses to it, and about workers and also recent posts on unions. It was written by a young

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

David Schanoes writes: To JD: Yes people make their own history, but not as people but as members, agents, representatives of their class. this kind of statement exemplifies what's wrong with the self-style orthodoxy among Marxists. People aren't people. Instead, they are mere representatives

Re: note from a grocery strike solidarity group leader

officially, the grocery strike/lockout isn't over yet. Jim D. -Original Message- From: michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 2/29/2004 3:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: [PEN-L] note from a grocery strike solidarity

Re: Greenspan and the use of time to commit fiscal crime

Hopefully, we can move on to more useful communications. On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 03:12:32PM -0800, Devine, James wrote: David Schanoes writes: To JD: Yes people make their own history, but not as people but as members, agents, representatives of their class. this kind of statement

Re: DeLong on Paul Sweezy

Brad is very bright. Within the community of academic economists, he is far to the left. I never understood how he could get so fixated about S*, whose name I dare not mention. I think he is quite like Krugman, who has a very narrow band of acceptable political values. During the Clinton

Defense Department climate study URL

I just saw the URL for the study. www.ems.org/climate/pentagon-climate-change.pdf -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu

Re: DeLong on Paul Sweezy

Michael Yates wrote: The day that fool DeLong . . . . Michael, I think it worthwhile (under the slogan of Know Your Enemy) to distinguish between fools and scoundrels. Does not Brad belong to the latter category? :-) Carrol

Re: DeLong on Paul Sweezy

my comment on the delong blog: It's hard to imagine Brad Delong accumulating a resume like this one http://cepa.newschool.edu/het/profiles/sweezy.htm People still discuss Sweezy's work, even those who disagree with him (I mean, just think of the huge debates on the Sweezy-Dobb debate--Paul

RRPE review

Hello Pen-Lers! Michael Perelman asked me to come back on the last to talk a little about Mexico, something I will do shortly, since the economy here merits some thought by our progressive partnes from the north! In the meanwhile, however, I would like to ask you to think about a priority for the

Haiti Coup

Eyewitnesses reported on Pacifica reveal that Aristide DID NOT RESIGN! He was kidnapped at about 5:30 AM by US Marines directly supervised by the US Ambassador. At the moment he is on a US plane somewhere, incommunicado. The State Department refuses to give any information whatsoever to

Re: Haiti Coup

For those of you at your computer, or SF-local, tune into KPFA (www.kpfa.org) and listen to blow by blow coverage of the coup in Haiti. Armed US/CIA-affiliated terrorists (Guy Philippe, FRAPH), that US media have portrayed as nonviolent, are engaged in a bloody purge of Aristide supporters,

Swans March 1, 2004

http://www.swans.com/http://www.swans.com/ March 1, 2004 -- In this issue: Note from the Editor:RALPH NADER FOR PRESIDENT... and best wishes to all the ABB lib-labs! There is only one exception we take with Mr. Nader: His reference to the liberal intelligentsia. This is an improper and much

Re: DeLong on Paul Sweezy

--- Eubulides [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/Index.html/ Have fun *** I would like Brad De Long to be remembered for the following passage: How Strong a Supporter of International Capital Mobility

Sheep eating people

NY Times, February 29, 2004 CORRESPONDENCE | CLASS CONSCIOUSNESS China's Wealthy Live by a Creed: Hobbes and Darwin, Meet Marx By YILU ZHAO BEIJING — The rich in China these days are moving into the villages of Napa Valley, Palm Springs, Long Beach, Upper East Side and Park Avenue, all in the

pass the bubble

Unsustainable debt Leader Monday March 1, 2004 The Guardian The world economic revival seems to be picking up speed practically everywhere - except, of course, on the continent of Europe, which is still stagnating. The trouble is that recovery is disconcertingly dependent on America's

Re: Estanblished Trade Unions Left Politics, was Re: He does have a point

I think it is perhaps a little dangerous to generalize from US experience as it it were the standard of what goes on elsewhere. Though many Canadian unions have become established defenders of the status quo (mostly Canadian branches of so-called 'international' -- i.e. US dominated and

Re: Estanblished Trade Unions Left Politics, was Re: He does have a point

Excellent observation. We have many people who are either from or have expertise in other parts of the world. I wish we could hear more from them. I'm assuming that David Barkin will keep his promise to report on Mexico. I think we need to keep in mind that the grocery strike was not lost on

Re: He does have a point

Frankly, I don't think this is the case. I have quit the NDP on several occasions and stopped supporting them materially when they voted for world crimes against Yugoslavia. I just could not be associated with a party that supported killing and bombing my friends that I had worked with for

Re: Paul Marlor Sweezy (1910-2004)

- Original Message - From: ertugrul ahmet tonak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 01, 1970 6:18 AM Subject: Paul Marlor Sweezy (1910-2004) snip Here are the text of the 1986-interview I (and my friend Sungur Savran) did with Paul and a photo of Paul and