Beheadings vowed: Iraq terrorists kidnap Turks

2004-06-27 Thread Sabri Oncu
Sun, June 27, 2004 Beheadings vowed Iraq terrorists kidnap Turks By AP BAGHDAD -- Militants loyal to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi said yesterday they have kidnapped three Turkish workers and threatened to behead them in 72 hours, heightening tension as President George W. Bush visited Turkey. In new

Clash ahead of Bush visit to Turkey

2004-06-27 Thread Sabri Oncu
Clash ahead of Bush visit to Turkey Saturday, June 26, 2004 Posted: 9:41 PM EDT (0141 GMT) ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- Turkish police fired tear gas as more than 100 left-wing demonstrators hurled rocks and used sticks to try and break down a police barricade during a protest Saturday ahead of U.S.

global insurgency against states

2004-06-27 Thread Chris Burford
Rumsfeld allowed himself to be interviewed on the David Frost programm on BBC1 this morning, and appeared to display an unusual degree of uncertainty. He seemed to attempt to redefine it not as a war against terrorism, because terror is only one method he said, but as a global insurgency, among

Danforth's appointment

2004-06-27 Thread Chris Burford
Danforth's appointment to be US representative at the UN has intervention in Sudan written all over it. But the model is probably going to be by multi-lateral consensus making rather than by US military hegemonism blasting the infrastructure of local militia from 30,000 feet. Chris Burford

Bush's rapid shifting of position

2004-06-27 Thread Chris Burford
While left wing electors in the US pose what seems to me to be the wrong question - whether Kerry is the lesser evil to Bush - does anyone notice how much the shape of the beach is shifting under the pressure of events? (I am referring to the consumerist model of the bourgeois two party system as

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- intro and part one

2004-06-27 Thread Chris Doss
I agree that it is more complicated, but I can't see why Putin's approach gives a more satisfactory explanation. When I was in France, they had terrorist attacks quite frequently -- 1979 -- but the French both repressed AND accomodated resistence forces. France is not great, but it seems a step

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread Chris Doss
Dammit, answer my question. What should Russia's reaction have been two armed incursions by jihadi gunmen? Sit there and take it? Write them letters? Dear Mr. Khattab, we think you are a big meany. Cut it out. -Original Message- From: Joseph Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread michael
Such demands usually are counterproductive and can raise hackles rather than the level of discourse. Chris Doss wrote: Dammit, answer my question. What should Russia's reaction have been two armed incursions by jihadi gunmen? Sit there and take it? Write them letters? Dear Mr. Khattab, we think

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread sartesian
I don't know if this qualifies as a true chronology since it compresses so many years and developments into single paragraph synopses of decades. In any case, I think we need to see much more detail on the 1917-1929 period-- proposals, programs, debates, conflicts specifically re Bolsheviks and

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread Chris Doss
In any case, I think we need to see much more detail on the 1917-1929period-- proposals, programs, debates, conflicts specifically re Bolsheviksand Chechnya.--- Near as I can tell, the Bolshies had a problem with Chechen raiders. Kind of like today. :) --- And going forward, is there any

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread Chris Doss
Hey, I did manage to find something in English on the Chechen economy in 2002 by Mikahil Delyagin. (Delyagin is a left-wing quasi-Keynesian economist who looks kind of like a chipmunk.) How the Chechen Economy Works Today Russia continues to deliver to Chechnya gas and electricity free of

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread Chris Doss
It only touches on economics in passing, but there is a good general piece on the situation here: http://www.google.ru/search?q=cache:P_qzh9htAKcJ:www.ecoi.net/pub/mv121_chya-bg2000-iskandarian.pdf+chechnya+economy+statisticshl=ruie=UTF-8inlang=rusartesian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And going

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Doss wrote: Hey, I did manage to find something in English on the Chechen economy in 2002 by Mikahil Delyagin. (Delyagin is a left-wing quasi-Keynesian economist who looks kind of like a chipmunk.) With Delyagin prefacing his article with the following hawkish rant, I would tend to take what

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread sartesian
Thanks. - Original Message - From: Chris Doss To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two It only touches on economics in passing, but there is a good general piece on

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread sartesian
Always carry a shaker full. - Original Message - From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two Chris Doss wrote: Hey, I did manage to find something in English

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread Chris Doss
I doubt he wrote the intro. It looks like standard Russian copy editing -- add the most hyperbolic preface possible. sartesian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Always carry a shaker full.- Original Message -From: "Louis Proyect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004

More on Iraq sovereignty

2004-06-27 Thread k hanly
Well at least Bremer didnt outlaw headscarves in school. Cheers, Ken Hanly BAGHDAD, June 26 -- U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer has issued a raft of edicts revising Iraq's legal code and has appointed at least two dozen Iraqis to government jobs with multi-year terms in an attempt to promote

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread sartesian
Read the Delyagin.Must say that if Delyagin is a "left-winger,"the right wingmustbe tothe right ofJohn C. Calhoun and Albert Speers. The information provided by Delyaginquite is the result of the deconstruction of the economy, itswarlordization, and bears striking similarities to

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 6/26/2004 10:57:22 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Under Stalinist state-capitalism, however, monstrous crimes were committed against the nationalities, including the mass deportation of the entire Chechen population. This is ethnic cleansing on

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread Chris Doss
Delyagin is a friend of Kagarlitsky, isn't he? I mean left-wing in the economic sense of the term -- he's in Rodina, which is sort-of Keynesian economically and nationalist. (This is usually what "left" means in Russia.) Afghanistan is a close parallel -- destruction of infrastructure accompanied

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 6/27/2004 8:45:43 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In 1997 Russia allocated to Chechnya 963 billion non-denominated roubles (including 88 billion roubles as transfer payments, 300 billion roubles as payment of pensions by the Russian Pension

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread Louis Proyect
Chris Doss wrote: Delyagin is a friend of Kagarlitsky, isn't he? I mean left-wing in the economic sense of the term -- he's in Rodina, which is sort-of Keynesian economically and nationalist. (This is usually what left means in Russia.) Rodina means motherland. It is a nationalist party. Of course

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread sartesian
OK. Different left than here, fair enough. Brother Melvin begins the process of properly framing the critical questions. We have a condition of economic, social deconstruction, devolution, where the centrifugal forces part and parcel of interrupted, confined Russian Revolution, overwhelm

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread Chris Doss
On a related note, I don't think it was the _cause_, but it is true that both the military and the people fighting them benefit financially from prolongation of hostilities. (The former get access to all the $$ going into Chechnya, and the later get $$ from Islamic fundies abroad.) --- There is

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread Chris Doss
In any case, I think we need to see much more detail on the 1917-1929period-- proposals, programs, debates, conflicts specifically re Bolsheviksand Chechnya.--- BTW, when the Bolshies were talking about national self-determination inside Russia, weren't they mainly talking about developed

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 6/27/2004 9:54:39 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brother Melvin begins the process of properly framing the critical questions. We have a condition of economic, social deconstruction, devolution, where the centrifugal forces part and parcel of

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread Louis Proyect
--- BTW, when the Bolshies were talking about national self-determination inside Russia, weren't they mainly talking about developed nations like Ukraine or Georgia? Did they write much on peoples like the Chechens, Avars, Chukchi, Chuvash, Ingush, etc.? There are over 100 distinct

FW: Op-Ed in Today's LA Times

2004-06-27 Thread Devine, James
FYI -- http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-galbraith27jun27,1,545350.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions POLITICS Keeping It Real for the Voters If you look past misleading labels, you'll see genuine issues. By James K. Galbraith James K. Galbraith is chairman of Economists

40,000 protest Bush in Turkey

2004-06-27 Thread Sabri Oncu
40,000 protest Bush in Turkey Sunday, June 27, 2004 Posted: 12:42 PM EDT (1642 GMT) ISTANBUL, Turkey (AP) -- Tens of thousands of Turks chanting anti-Bush slogans demonstrated against the president's visit to their country on Sunday and a NATO summit. Bush is unpopular in Turkey, where the

Re: Chronology of Russian-Chechen relations -- part two

2004-06-27 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 6/27/2004 12:12:11 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- BTW, when the Bolshies were talking about national self-determination inside Russia, weren't they mainly talking about developed "nations" like Ukraine or Georgia? Did they write much on

EU prepares to swallow Croatia

2004-06-27 Thread Chris Burford
One of the controversies about the attacks on the former Yugoslavia were the allegations that the European Union particularly Germany accelerated the disintegration of Yugoslavia and the process of ethnic cleansing by early recognition of Croatian independence. Although the story below dates back

Malthus Was Wrong

2004-06-27 Thread sartesian
WSJ June 25, 2004 An Indian Paradox: Bumper Harvests and Rising Hunger The World Has Enough Food, But Poor Can't Afford It; ...The world is producing more food than ever as countries such as India, China, and Brazil emerge as forces in globla agriculture. But at the same time, the

Re: Bush's rapid shifting of position

2004-06-27 Thread Martin Hart-Landsberg
I am not sure about the tides, but in response to Chris's post below, I have been struck by the apparent popularity and political positioning of a new radio network in the United States, Air America. This network has a series of radio programs that define themselves as being on the left. In fact

Re: Chechen relations -- final for today

2004-06-27 Thread Waistline2
--- BTW, when the Bolshies were talking about national self-determination inside Russia, weren't they mainly talking about developed "nations" like Ukraine or Georgia? Did they write much on peoples like the Chechens, Avars, Chukchi, Chuvash, Ingush, etc.? Thereare over 100

Re: Bush's rapid shifting of position

2004-06-27 Thread Perelman, Michael
I cannot remember a time with so many left documentaries getting screen time -- even ignoring Michael Moore. Supersize this, control room, the corporation Maybe our time is coming. And then, maybe not. Michael

Re: Bush's rapid shifting of position

2004-06-27 Thread Peter Dorman
A significant constituency on the left has materialized in recent years, propelled by anti- (alter-) globalization actions, mobilizations against the Iraq war, etc. This demographic has been discovered by the entertainment industry, which is ready to sell to them. To say this is not to denigrate

Re: Bush's rapid shifting of position

2004-06-27 Thread Perelman, Michael
I am sorry. I thought it was because of our revolutionary work on pen-l. -Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Dorman Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 2:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Bush's rapid shifting of position A significant

Re: Bush's rapid shifting of position

2004-06-27 Thread Louis Proyect
Just spoke to my chess partner. He said that our mutual friend, who lives in Newt Gingrich's district, just went to see Farenheit 911. The audience was filled with the kind of people who vote for him, country club Republicans. Not only was the theater packed, the film got a standing ovation

Re: Bush's rapid shifting of position

2004-06-27 Thread Carrol Cox
Perelman, Michael wrote: I cannot remember a time with so many left documentaries getting screen time -- even ignoring Michael Moore. Supersize this, control room, the corporation Maybe our time is coming. And then, maybe not. Several points. 1. Influencing people (which is what

Re: Chechen relations -- final for today - correction

2004-06-27 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 6/27/2004 4:50:22 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In other words when the genocidal wars of extermination was launched against the Indians and after their brutal conquest there did not exist a petty bourgeoisie, a bourgeoisie or a proletariat as

Re: Bush's rapid shifting of position

2004-06-27 Thread Sabri Oncu
Michael: I am sorry. I thought it was because of our revolutionary work on pen-l. No Michael! It was because of the revolutionary work of Bush and the neocons, not that the democrats did and will do any better. Here is what Michael Ignatieff says in the below New York Times Magazine