Re: An emerging labor-led left in the DP?

2004-07-27 Thread s.artesian
-Original Message- From: Robert Naiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Jul 27, 2004 10:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEN-L] An emerging labor-led left in the DP? "if a Kerry administration is forced to preside over deep cuts to Social Security and other social programs" ? nothing w

Re: Thomas Frank op-ed piece

2004-07-21 Thread s.artesian
THEIR thugs are OUR thugs, just as they were in Afghanistan. It is the decimation of the social structure under US attack that creates the opportunity for and the thugs themselves. We can control our thugs? That must be comforting to all those in US run prisons. I can't wait until somebody i

Iraq

2004-07-20 Thread s.artesian
I also think Michael meant what he wasn't aware he wrote, and I endorse his unconscious wholeheartedly. I believe that the first step in the liberation of Iraq must be our opposition to the deployment of US military forces anywhere in the world, including upon the soil of the United States.

Re: Thomas Frank op-ed piece

2004-07-20 Thread s.artesian
With all deserved respect: No, I'm not the moderator, nor very moderate. I recognize being a left apologist for occupation is not always a bed of roses. I'm sure there are days when you feel like chucking everything and going away for a well-deserved rest, but there is no rest for the weary.

Re: oil query

2004-07-16 Thread s.artesian
i need to ask someone questions like "when analysts or journalists refer to millions of barrels of oil produced per day, what products are they typically including?" thanks in advance for any assistance. _ Usually used to mean petroleum, natural gas liquids, condensates.

Re: Hegel & Marx

2004-07-14 Thread s.artesian
Long version: Last time I looked, we weren't heaping praise on Hegel, nor has anyone denied Hegel's racism. But denying the importance of both the substance and method of Hegel to Marx's of work because Hegel wasn't a humanist, was an "idealist," and was ignorant, in every sense of the word, c

Re: Christian Parenti "reporting" from Falluja

2004-07-08 Thread s.artesian
Speaking of disturbed-- why is it that Mr. Wendland bemoans the "deteriorating security" in Iraq without looking at the source of that deterioration, which is the US destruction of the Iraqi society? Why is it that Mr. Wendland poses his questions before grappling with the one that he should an

Re: Christian Parenti "reporting" from Falluja

2004-07-08 Thread s.artesian
Hey wait a minute, as someone who has been unsubbed by all three of you, I have to say Michael's response to the self-aggrandizing bleatings of Henwood and Proyect is an insult to those of us who value the value of real insults. In baseball the umpire warns both benches once and then tosses the

Re: Sowell

2004-07-02 Thread s.artesian
THIS WE MUST PARSE... -Original Message- From: "David B. Shemano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Jul 2, 2004 6:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Sowell "Traditional justice, at least in the American tradition, involves treating people the same, holding them to the same standa

Re: Sowell

2004-07-02 Thread s.artesian
Be my guest, if you like it, if it fits, and it's how you want to be remembered. Don't much care for epitaphs myself, although I wouldn't mind being remembered as a skirt-chasing bastard. -Original Message- From: "David B. Shemano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Jul 2, 2004 3:31 PM To: [E

Re: Sowell

2004-07-02 Thread s.artesian
As long as we understand each other. Anybody who obscures the real source of poverty and immiseration and then argues that better is worse is a hack. Don't know if that describes you personally. -Original Message- From: "David B. Shemano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Jul 2, 2004 1:1

Re: Mr. Cranky reviews Fahrenheit 9/11

2004-07-02 Thread s.artesian
Or... we could point out that Saudi Arabia is not the only supplier to the US. It is one of the top four suppliers, the other three being Canada, Mexico, andVenezuela-- and look how friend the US govt is to the that government. The "dependency" of the US on oil imported from Saudi Arabai th

Re: Marxist Financial Advice

2004-06-25 Thread s.artesian
-Original Message- From: Sabri Oncu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Jun 25, 2004 6:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Marxist Financial Advice The only condition is that you have to be someone I like. Sartesian has no hope to get that 20 Million Liras Turkish banknote from me, f

Re: Marxist Fianancial Advice

2004-06-25 Thread s.artesian
Reading JD, I thought I'd go back and check the archives, because I could have sworn somebody was actually giving financial advice in response to the original query. The thread started on 21 June. Jim's was the first response-- his words were "diversify, diversify, diversify.." he did warn ag

Re: Marxist Fianancial Advice

2004-06-25 Thread s.artesian
I think Jim is absolutely incorrect here, and also in regard to Marx's works. First, I don't believe anything I said is abusive. I answered Mr. Henwood in exactly the tone he addressed me. I answered with gusto the notion that we can be Marxist debt-holders. And as I stated earlier, I can't bel

Re: EMH

2004-06-24 Thread s.artesian
Well, I don't know if this is within the expected time range, but neither the methods, nor the substance, nor importance of the work done by Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Preobrazhensky, WEB DuBois, CLR James, etc. etc. is dead. Nor is any of their work an ideology. The value of the method and the work

Re: Putin

2004-06-23 Thread s.artesian
--Original Message- From: Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Jun 23, 2004 10:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Putin s.artesian wrote: > Clearly Chris Doss is pointing out that Shamil was not exactly a great emancipator

Re: Putin

2004-06-23 Thread s.artesian
I believe that, Mr. Proyect's statement, is a mischaracterization of Mr. Doss's. Clearly Chris Doss is pointing out that Shamil was not exactly a great emancipator struggling for the future of the downtrodden. I wish there were a bit more concrete analysis presented, rather than assertions that

Re: Marxist Fianancial Advice

2004-06-21 Thread s.artesian
Title: Marxist Fianancial Advice There is no Marxist political economy, since Marx is exploring  the necessity for the overthrow of the system that generates political economy as an ideological cover.   There is no Marxist financial advice other than, perhaps, seize the banks, cancel the debt.  

Re: Deflation?

2004-06-18 Thread s.artesian
Nothing new here. It's just the old contrary contrarian thesis in list form. Besides since when are economic vulnerability and expansion incompatible? Unless somebody is predicting disaster, catastrophe, species-extinction, vulnerability and expansion go hand in hand. -Original Message-

Re: Spiked-online and the Hubbert curve

2004-06-04 Thread s.artesian
The connections to and from Big Oil are not confined to those who think the issues are social, economic, not natural in origin. I for example don't even have an ExxonMobil credit card, nor an automobile for that matter. Moreover, as the Hubbertists are proud to tell you their credentials include