Max Sawicky wrote, >there isn't much left of planning, properly >speaking, much less socialism, without public >ownership of capital and public control of its >allocation. What's left is where most of us are, >in some kind of social-democratic framework. >In other words, I agree with those on the further >left who say most of us on, say, PEN-L, aren't >really socialists. I differ in that I think >that's as it should be. Max is right (except for the last line). To add definition to Max's "public ownership of capital and public control of its allocation", I'd mention the concept of the "dictatorship of the proletariat". Today, the phrase is an embarrassment to many who would like to call and think of themselves as socialists. This is partly because the phrase has been appropriated and misused for expressly undemocratic purposes. But, rather than re-examine the concept itself, the "revisionists" (I can't resist the irony) suppose it's enough to substitute a more benign sounding "democratic planning" for the terrifying "dictatorship". The problem with such a smooth transition is that it begs the question of the need for any transition at all. If the cure for bourgeois democracy is simply "more democracy", then we might as well get on with the practical work on taxes and transfers rather than speculating about alternative systems. On the other hand, if the problem is the qualitative issue of class rule, then a mere quantitative increase in "democracy" is a non-sequitur -- again making speculation about alternative systems a waste of time. To return to the socialist embarrassment about the dictatorship of the proletariat, there is a second, "non-Stalinist" source for the chagrin: the dictatorship is transcendental, not scientific. Socialists (particularly of the academic marxist variety) would like to present themselves as reasonable people, whose actions and beliefs are grounded in empirical observation, etc. etc. But the dictatorship of the proletariat has more in common with the father, the son and the holy ghost then it does with the working class (or "the workers" or "working people"). Don't take my word for it, remember old Karl himself wrote a manifesto about a "spectre haunting Europe". Compare that to the advocates of planning who seek to evade the spectral character of the revolutionary subject by shifting to the passive tense. Meanwhile, unfettered by such subaltern scruples, the clumsily manipulated, "invisible" hand of the neo-liberals is left to rake in all the ideological chips. I wish I could wrap this thought up with some answers, but maybe it's not such a bad thing to generate a few questions instead. Why have we come to take "bourgeois ideology" at face value as, at least, an *attempt* at empirical description? How have we come to the imaginative impasse of seeking to oppose "their" empirical descriptions with our own, more faithful to the "facts"? What, then, is the status of an "empirical description" of something that doesn't yet exist? Have socialists forgotten how to dream in colour (or are they just ashamed to try)? As for Max's last line, "that's as it should be", I can't buy it. Here in Canada, the social-democratic NDP abstains from even its own social-democratic, electoral politics in a vain attempt to be seen as a voice of moderation. The NDP appeal in the current election comes down to nostalgia for the 1970s -- a presumably brighter, happier, more innocent time. If you liked the Partridge Family, you'll love the NDP. The PF was "wholesome" psychedelia without drugs. The NDP is wholesome Keynesianism without fiscal crises. And there's the social democratic dilemma in a nutshell: it's not simply that social-democratic policy prescriptions are objectionable, it's that in order to be palatable to the "mainstream" they always have to be repackaged as even more innocuous then they are. Social democratic policies can never be innocuous enough, at least until they are completely vapid -- at which point, they are readily dismissed by "the mainstream" as vapid. Regards, Tom Walker ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ knoW Ware Communications | Vancouver, B.C., CANADA | "Only in mediocre art [and in spreadsheets] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | does life unfold as fate." (604) 669-3286 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The TimeWork Web: http://mindlink.net/knowware/worksite.htm