ROBIN: I've been off line, but if nobody mentioned Norma Rae starring Sally Fields, I liked that as a labor film especially as it portrays the character of a union organizer and a local activist (Sally Fields) very well. Surprisingly, I think it was more of a Hollywood film than others such as Matewan. KARL: I question this trendy lefty stuff about good and bad films. It is the kind of thing middle class lefties or lefties aspiring towards middleclassania engage over coffee. It gives them a sense of cosy difference and a styled identity: the feeling that they are not like other "men". The point is that the bourgeois film industry with its super rich movie stars exploit important aspects of life in order to valorise capital. The film industry is patently a branch of industrial capital that produces commodities in the form of cineamatic and video films. Despite the many so called good films they have done little or nothing to assist in thw working class raising its consciousness onto a new plane. working class forward. Karl Carlile Yours etc., Karl