This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_914354916_boundary To Jim Devine's reposne I have to agree. There is a real danger in trivializing the most horrible with analogy overreach or fallcy of "proof" by analogy. On the other hand, Auschwitz was an inexorable result--not a beginning--of a system of twisted logic, imperatives, interests and power structures that progressively unfolded from post WWI--and even before--on. The captured SS document does indeed embody the cold and sterile and inhuman kinds of "calculus of rationality, optimality, efficiency, general equilibrium--order"-- and hypothetico deductivism quite common in marginalism and neoclassical tracts. Further the trite disctinction between "normative" and "positive" as well as the sterile models was also being alluded to. But the point is very well taken; false analogies or overreach can indeed trivialize the most montrous and put them on the plane of the comonplace. But then let's take the principle one more step: not to see clear parallels or analogies--e.g. the one and only one true Holocaust or the one and one only true victims concept--also trivializes the commonly known/referred to Holocaust along with the commonly known/referred to victims and not commonly known/not commonly referred to victims. On one more note, the foundations--legal, social, moral, economic, political, cultural--of fascism in Germany as well as every other known past and present case of fascism are progressively laid well before the full asumption of State power by fascists. Typically those laying the foundations do so under banners of "conservativism", let markets do what markets do (at the level of rhetoric only) and the core principles of the Bruning, Von Pappen and Von Schleicher regimes that were instrumental in laying the foundations of fascism in Germany presented the rhetoric of capitalist-driven efficiency with which most neoclassicals would have had no problem rationalizing at the theoretical level. But the comment and exception of Jim Devine remains important and very necessary. Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa for any overreach on mym part or for not making the extent of any analogy clear. Jim Craven --part0_914354916_boundary Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> by rly-zd03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:42:21 -0500 (EST) Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:43:57 -0800 (PST) be forged)) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:25:22 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [PEN-L:1839] Re: Fwd: Re: Re: Redutio ad Absurdum In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Craven writes: >The reason I see Auschwitz as an inexorable metaphor/expression of >libertarianism is on the plane of the sterile, cold, calculating, selfish >calculus of maximization, "optimality", "efficiency" dog-eat-dog and rat-race >individualism embodied in the libertarian perspective coupled with the de jure >illusions of market-driving "choice" hiding the tyrrany and brutality of >market-based de facto realities and consequences on the many in service of the >profits/power of the few. I for one am really tired of Nazi analogies, like one that showed up awhile back on pen-l comparing (now exiting) California Governor Pete Wilson to the Nazis. Sure he's a horrible person and probably deserves to be forced to live in Pelican Bay (one of the prisons he built) for a month or more to see what he hath wrought. But he's no Nazi. (I bring up that analogy in hopes that I don't have to repeat my arguments from a previous thread.) The problem with the overused Nazi analogy is not only the fallacy of argument by analogy (i.e., that saying that Wilson is like the Nazis ignores the way in which Wilson is _not_ like the Nazis). It's also that the excessive use of the Nazi analogy slowly but surely undermines the horror of the Nazis and their rule. I can imagine someone thinking: oh, the Nazis must not have been so bad, if they're only as bad as Pete Wilson. (Similarly, when a young man "cops a feel" of his date's breast, calling it "date rape" threatens to undermine the meaning of rape.) We should try to avoid excess rhetoric. Getting back to the issue of false analogies as applied to the comparison between markets and Auschwitz, there's a clear difference between the two, summarized by Marx's phrase "commodity fetishism." An explicit despotism like Auschwitz lacks it. The market -- commodity production -- hides the class despotism (the monopolization of the means of production and subsistence by a small minority of the population, so that the majority has little choice but to work for the minority, producing surplus value). People living in a "market system" usually see it as a "natural" process and suffer from what Marx termed "the illusions created by competition" (which is basically the same as com. fet.), concluding that rent is produced by land or the scarcity of a resource, interest is a reward for the deferment of enjoyment ("waiting" or time preference), and profits is the reward for risk-taking and entrepreneurship. They don't see these incomes as being parts of surplus value and as resulting from class despotism. The market usually hides the human responsibility for what's going on and for the creation of class inequality, blaming inhuman forces such as technology. On the other hand, the death camp's social relations are very transparent to the participants. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html --part0_914354916_boundary--