On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Terrence Mc Donough wrote: > There may well be some confusion here, but there is more likely a > difference over the definition of basic Marxian categories. In its > basic sense, to be productive, labor must be productive of surplus > value. But this implies that several prior conditions have also been > met. To have value that which is produced (yes - good or service, > tangible or intangible) must first have use value. To be > reproductive of capitalist relations of production is insufficient to > meet this criterion. Secondly, it must be a commodity, that is > produced for sale on a market. Much of what is produced in > universities doesn't meet one or both of these conditions. > Thirdly there must be a relationship > of exploitation based on the extraction of surplus value. The > existence of wage labor is only half of this relation. There must > also be capitalists making profit. The existence of a board of > directors/trustees is insufficient to meet this criterion precisely > because "internal political questions about the way orders are given > and received has no direct implication for the question of > exploitation." Thanx for clearing up just a bit of the fog... +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal | | if you agree copy these 3 sentences in your own sig | | more info: http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | Jim Jaszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PGP Public Key available. | | http://www.freenet.hamilton.on.ca/~ab975/Profile.html | +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+