Carl Dassbach wrote, 1. > . . . capitalism historically promotes democracy . . ..It > promotes formal equality to overcome the feudal inequalities . I agree this is a TENDENCY, although I'm not sure this is true in all cases. My concern in my last posting was not about the transition between f-ism and c-ism, but was about the impact of democracy within already existing capitalist countries. 2. > if these propositions were interesting (and they are NOT) But I think they are interesting. One reason is this: one aspect of the social democratic project is to expand democracy within capitalism. The idea is that people within a democratic environment will demand things like a social wage. The hope is that as people see the social wage is kinda nice, they might be more open to socialism. But, what if democracy (or the expansion of the social wage) harms the performance of a country? Will people say a) lets dump the social wage to stimulate the economy or b) hey, this social wage seems a good thing, but capitalism can't handle it--lets dump capitalism. But if democracy stimulates the economy, what then? Other issues arise. 3. >how would you differentiate between them - make up some > indicators, crunch some numbers and prove nothing or prove > what we want to prove. This way of looking at empirical research is very common. And, certainly some people do empirical research in this way. But many people don't. But in any case, what is most interesting in empirical research is finding something you didn't anticipate. I'm not sure that empirical research "proves" or "disproves" theoretical statements. However, empirical research can help shed light on issues that is not gained in other forms of inquiry. For instance, the simple attempt to measure something qualitative in order to "crunch numbers" leads one to more fully think about what is being measured and the various weaknesses of various different approaches. This sort of thinking is less likely to go on in other forms of inquiry. Further, if one anticipates a certain result and you don't get it, this leads you to think, "what's wrong here?--is my theory wrong, or is something else going on that I did not previously think about (interactions, etc)" Such thinking is also less likely to go on in other forms of inquiry, although it might lead to new interesting insights. I'm not a simple falsificationist, but I wonder why some people reject empirical research as strongly as they do. Yes, most empirical work is sloppy and bad and only proved what the writer set out to prove. But this is likely also true of "theorists." Eric .. Eric Nilsson Department of Economics California State University San Bernardino, CA 92407 [EMAIL PROTECTED]