An intelligent discussion would begin by reading the references that Anwar Shaikh (NB: _not_ "Sheik") gives rather than spinning one's wheels in ignorance. Or is it too much to ask that one become familiar with a person's work before passing judgment on it? Jerry PS1: As this same person has on *several occasions* referred to "Anwar Sheik", one has to believe that this is not an accidental error in spelling. One could argue instead that this "humor" has racist overtones. PS2 (to Michael and PEN, in reference to PS1): am I not allowed to object to racist statements on PEN-L?