In a message dated 2/11/1999 9:16:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

<< Paul Meyer:
 >This is a fairly selective rendering of history. By the 1870's was up to his
 >neck in involvement with mass worker's movements and parties in the
 >industrializing
 >world.
 
 No, it is not a "fairly selective" rendering of history. Teodor Shanin
 characterizes Marx's interest in Russia as directly related to his
 pessimism about near or intermediate term possibilities for revolution in
 Western Europe, which was already in the opening stages of imperialism.
 >From Lenin's "Imperialism and the Split in Socialism," written in 1916:
  >>
 
Alright, it is not a selective interpretation of Marx, but rather an
ideological one.
Marx's despair about the coming revolution in Europe was not a rejection of
the important
role capitalist modernization would play so much as a recognition that many
parts of
Europe, including Germany, were not modernizing quickly enough.

In any case,  the issue of scarcity can't be overlooked, no matter how many
quotations
one wants to marshall for evidence. Lenin recognized the problem himself and
thought
that it was a European-wide revolution that would save Russia from its
poverty.  

Marx's entire intellectual legacy comes tumbling down if something as central
as the
relation between material advancement and the prospect for socialism is so
easily ignored.  At that point he has no value as a social scientist, only as
a cult leader.

-Paul Meyer


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