I don't know much about S. Korea, so is it possible for an expert like Marty Hart-Landsberg could pipe in and tell us what's happening there? to settle the futile discussion between Tell and Rosser? I remember that there is a popularly-organized democracy movement in S. Korea. Is it not possible that the recent severe punishment of the military leaders and their allies is a victory for that grass-roots movement rather than some favor granted voluntarily by the S. Korean bourgeoisie? That would fit with the fact that usually progressive reform is possible under capitalism but that usually it must be actively fought for. (I added "progressive" despite my misgivings about that term and because the word "reform" does not necessarily mean anything good, as with the Clinton-Gingritch "welfare reform.") in pen-l solidarity, Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] <74267,[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Econ. Dept., Loyola Marymount Univ. 7900 Loyola Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90045-8410 USA 310/338-2948 (daytime, during workweek); FAX: 310/338-1950 "It takes a busload of faith to get by." -- Lou Reed.