Well since I've promised to say nothing demonizing about that nice charmer in Belgrade who undoubtedly cries at the opera, allow me to annoy a bunch of people on this list on another front... Louis Proyect has put together an account of the Albanians in Kosovo-Methohija that blames them for their troubles. They are backward, tribal, patriarchal, male chauvinists who are into blood feuds (and others have added that they only like to study about Albanian culture and literature rather than anything useful), and who have too high a birth rate. History starts now in World War II when they were allied to the Italian fascists and reportedly didn't even help Enver Hoxha, much less Tito's folks. The UCK/KLA has people descended from fighters in the Skanderberg Division (as well as former Maoists) and are thus "politically incoherent." So, I guess they deserve all that is happening to them, if anything is. Suppose such an account were to be made by an Afrikaaner in South Africa about local blacks to justify apartheid. After all, after 1990, the locally majority Albanians were removed from positions of authority, not just from all those classes on Albanian culture at the too-large University of Pristina. So, how does one justify domination of a majority by a minority? Well, one suggests that they are a majority because they have a high birth rate. That follows from their being a bunch of tribal male chauvinists who have blood feuds. Could not an Afrikaaner have said all this about South African blacks? Of course there are differences. There is no significant racial difference between the Serbs and the Albanians in contrast to the situation in South Africa. In South Africa, where most of the blacks were converted to Protestant Christianity of one form or another (albeit with some remnant tribal religious elements in some cases), religion is not a source of difference or conflict, in contrast with Yugoslavia. Of course the Afrikaaners had no "homeland" they could return to, having been in place for 300 years with their own locally evolved language and culture. Of course the Serbs claim Kosmet as their "cradle," but they have Serbia Proper to go to, just as the Albanians have Albania to go to. It is also true that there were no laws against marriages between the groups or overtly imposed segregation (yes, just for the record, I do think the whites in South Africa were more oppressive of the blacks than the Serbs have been of the Albanians in Kosmet, bottom line). Naturally Louis will argue that I have completely goofed this up by not possessing a proper class analysis. In South Africa presumably the ANC was socialist. After all, look at all the companies they have nationalized since coming to power. Clearly international capital had good reason to fear them.... Now presumably the Albanians are a cat's paw for international capital against the virtuous vanguard of socialism hanging out in Belgrade. The case does get stronger when one looks at the demands for capitalism in Kosmet in the Rambo Accord. But things are kind of messy. Not only do we have the remnant Maoism of parts of the UCK/KLA, but we have the fact that Albanian Kosovars are the poorest people in all the former Yugoslavia. If they are not proletariat, then what are they, lumpenproletariat? Or just undeserving peasantry? This starting in World War II is also just as potched as starting in 1989. After all, between 1878 and 1912, there was a Serbia that did just fine without possessing Kosovo-Metohija. That zone was still a part of the Ottoman Empire and had a population even then in which the Serbs were a minority. Serbia seized the province in 1912, against the wishes of several of the neighboring countries and only thanks to the strong backing of tsarist Russia. The period from then until World War II was one of Serbian royalist rule and domination that at times was dictatorship and never was remotely socialist or progressive. The reaction to coming under Albanian fascist rule in WW II must be seen in the light of that. No, none of this is particularly simple. But I do not think that people are going to be convinced to oppose a ground invasion by presenting one-sided histories of what has happened there, especially the stuff that is essentially ethnic slander that would be thrown off these lists if it were applied to Indians or blacks. Barkley Rosser