On 10 Aug 98 at 16:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It seems to me that lost in the invective of this debate is some > of the history of the 'expropriation of the aboriginal commons', at > least as I understand it in the NA context. > > First, with regard to the intermingling of the (mercantile) capitalist > mode of production with the aboriginal domestict mode of production during > the period of the fur trade, the conclusion of most of the recent > research work (as expressed by the 'articulation of modes of production > literature') is that the process of the subjegation of native economies > and social structures (including European technology) came quite late in > the contact period, largely after the European began the forceful > expropriation of land (and resources) with the spread of settlement and > the agricultural frontier. For Canadian plains indians, the end of > the buffalo economy came quite late -- between the first and second > Riel Rebellions, the end result of which was the final movement > (outside BC) of the Indian population onto reserves (but not the > Metis, Innuit or Dene). > > Even then, a year or two ago I finished supervising a superb thesis > on the economic fortunes of the Indians on reserves in the period > from the 1870s to the 1940s. Through much of this period, the > natives population did adjust to the market economy and, while > hardly prospering or growing rich, did actually quite well; so > much so that the government and local business conspired to buy, > seize, expropriate or otherwise dislodge Indian land because, in > many cases, the Indians were out competing white farmers (such as > in hay markets.) Indeed, the federal government in canada denied > the Indians their money to buy farm machinery > because the government argued that, to maintain their way of > life, the Indians had to use traditional, labour intensive, > non-machinery mathods. That is, the natives were denied the > right to chose to adopt modern technology and when they did and > out competed the whites, they had their land and/or resources > restricted. > The real collapse of the native economies came, according to > this thesis on Saskatchewan (and a similar book on Manitoba) > during the depression when the aboriginals suffered the same > fate as the white farmers. The difference was that the native > economies never recovered with the war and the rise of paternal > welfarism led to the dependency of the reserve structure which > was not (the reserve resource base) sufficient to maintain or > increase the income level. > > Nevertheless, Bhoddi is right in the sense that even if we > restored to all the aboriginals all that we have expropriated > since the original treaties, and even allocated all or most of > the unallocated crown lands, it would do little now to bring > the native peoples up to a decent standard of living. Just to > give an example, Canada is now overrun with Beaver -- aboriginals > can catch as many as they want and most of us wish that they > would as they have become a nuisance and a hazard -- but the > price of beaver pelts is so low (thanks in large part to the > so-called animal rights activists) that the cost of catching > beaver is greater than the revenue. Look at what has happened > in BC with the salmon fishery. The combination of overfishing > by US and Canadian fishers, pollution from logging and mining, > etc. has driven the salmon dangerously close to extinction such > that, even returning the exclusive fishing rights to the Indians > on most rivers would barely provide for a subsistence fishery, > etc. etc. > > Plus, the fact that many Native people don't want to live by > the traditional ways -- i.e. want to come to the cities, get > good educations, become doctors and even economists, or get > good trades jobs. The preservation of traditional (and in > many cases isolated) economies denies those kids who want > to integrate the tools (social and educational) to do so. > > I certainly don't have the answer to this problem -- but > it surely is not as clear cut as either Louis or Bhoddi make > out. > > Paul Phillips, > Economics, > University of Manitoba Response: The wholesale "expropriation" (never using laws of "eminent domain even as that would open up a whole host of contradicitons and constraints of "sacred" private property institutions protecting non-Indian capitalism) of Indian lands was an essential part of and yet a metaphor for a wider totality of genocide. At the Tribunal in Vancouver BC, we heard case after case--supported by irrefutable documentation from inside the Canadian government and Churches--that processes of "Enfranchisement" along with the Residential Schools and other mechanism were directly intended to destroy Indians as recognizable Indians; there was never any intent however, to "assimilate" Indians on any other level of Canadian society other than the degraded margins. We know that history lives within the present and shapes the future; historical inequalities, disenfranchisement and marginalization only produce increasing inequalities, disenfranchisement and marginalization unless addressed by very radical measures. Not only was the commons exporpriated, but as well, were whole ways of living (not so "primitive" as one would imagine; an example of "primitive" would be the CIA MKULTRA program or the operations of the REsidential Schools under the banner of civilization), whole societies, whole Nations, Tribes, Clans and families. Cumulative spirals of sexual and physical abuse in Indian families--begun with Residential Schools experiences--continue today and erode Indian Families, Clans, Tribes and Nations. Forced, unconscionable, total-cost-minimizing and genetically devastating diets were forced on Indians that are a major factor in present-day illnesses and medical conditions in Indian Country--obesity, diabetes, renal failure etc. Various forms of drugs and deleterious substances were imported into Indian country--in violation of existing laws nominally enforced--to divide and rule and as an instrument of land expropriation; these legacies continue today. The present-day conditions of Indians are not simply an indictment of the past such that we can say "that was tragically then, but then again, this is now." The then, lives within the now and destroys any chance for any kind of future other than living on the most degraded margins of the now which means gradual extinction and and no future as a separate people. And of course, in all of this, no real Indians--only a few token sell-outs--were ever consulted or gave "informed consent" to be assimilated--read destroyed as sovereing and indentifyable Peoples. What is so dangerous about present-day Indian claims is not the threat to expose hidden histories not included in the conventional history books--although that threat is real also as a threat to de-mystify--rather, present-day Indian lands claims, along with exposure of the Residential/Boarding School "syndromes" and various Governmental documental policies and intentions,.threaten the very sacred foundations and institutions of bourgeois property upon which the present Capitalist properties and power structures have been erected and protected. Under private property institutions and laws, I cannot keep stolen property once the true story has been told as to how the property has been acquired. Property is "lawfully" acquired through: a) discovery; b) conquest through war; c) gift; d) legal purchase and sale through legal contracts; e) inheritance through bloodline; f) declaration of "eminent domain"; g) Treaties ex-post-facto Treaties are only now being considered after the land has already been effectively exporpriated; you cna't "dicover" land with occupants already there; many purchases and sales were under clear unconscionable and illegal contracts where contracts were even involved; many of the Nations never fought any war against Canada or the Crown; there were no "gifts" involved in many of the lands expropriated; attempts to exterminate Indian bloodlines of succession and inheritance have not been completely successful. The bottom line: By virtue of the same "sacred" rights, privileges, laws, responsibilities, myths, traditions etc that make up "private property" institutions, that protect and expand present-day private proerty, they dialectically call into question and indict the very same private property they protect. This is why pushing bougeois rights and institutions can be a resolutionary act: to expose the inner hypocrisy and contradictions that indict and call into question the very properties protected and expanded by those very same institutions, laws and rights. It involves pushing bourgeois sacreds to their own limits (like reduction ad absurdum) in order to undermine them and tactically use their own internal contradicitons and mystifications. This is why the Canadian Government wants a blanket settlement for victims of the Residential Schools (no details please as the details indict the system and its inner logic and inexorable trajectories and ugly consequernces) and this is why these quicky sell-out Treaties are imperative at this juncture of history; this is also why the U.S. Government wants no part of what is going on in Canada with respect to Boarding Schools in the U.S. land claims etc. Jim Craven James Craven Dept. of Economics,Clark College 1800 E. McLoughlin Blvd. Vancouver, WA. 98663 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tel: (360) 992-2283 Fax: 992-2863 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The utmost good faith shall always be observed towards Indians; their land and property shall never be taken from them without their consent." (Northwest Ordinance, 1787, Ratified by Congress 1789) "...but this letter being unofficial and private, I may with safety give you a more extensive view of our policy respecting the Indians, that you may better comprehend the parts dealt to to you in detail through the official channel, and observing the system of which they make a part, conduct yourself in unison with it in cases where you are obliged to act without instruction...When they withdraw themselves to the culture of a small piece of land, they will perceive how useless to them are their extensive forests, and will be willing to pare them off from time to time in exchange for necessaries for their farms and families. To promote this disposition to exchange lands, which they have to spare and we want, for necessaries which we have to spare and they want,we shall push our trading houses, and be glad to see the good and influencial individuals among them run in debt, because we observe that when these debts get beyond what the individuals can pay, they become willing to lop them off by cession of lands...In this way our settlements will gradually circumscribe and approach the Indians, and they will in time either incorporate with us as citizens of the United States, or remove beyond the Mississippi.The former is certainly the termination of their history most happy for themselves; but, in the whole course of this, it is essential to cultivate their love. As to their fear, we presume that our strength and their weakness is now so visible that they must see we have only to shut our hand to crush them..." (Classified Letter of President Thomas Jefferson ("libertarian"--for propertied white people) to William Henry Harrison, Feb. 27, 1803) *My Employer has no association with My Private and Protected Opinion* --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------