Inconsistencies and contradictions are linguistic artifacts; nature does not
"contain" a nor or a not function in it's dynamics.  Does a marine ecology
"contradict" a terrestrial one?  A natural balance is always a temporary
eddy/stability in a relentless flux.  Ecological apocalyptics are simply
creating an aesthetics of futility and, like anger, are a waste of time.

It is largely because we avert our knowledge practices from "seeing" our
impermanence as malleable phenotypes that leads us to create
pathological/parasitic ecologies of industrial habitats.

No one is saying your list aren't ecological "bads"; its just that you're
using the term contradiction in a context where it may not legitimately
apply.

For more see:

Donald Worster's The Wealth of Nature, ch. 13.
Frank Golley's A History of the Ecosystem Concept
R. C. Lewontin's Gene, Organism, and Environment in Evolution from Molecules
to Men
Ruth Millikan's Language, Thought and other Biological Categories

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Louis Proyect
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 3:58 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [PEN-L:7263] Harvey, Leibniz & Marx
>
>
> Ian Murray:
> >Ecosystems have no essence; boundaries and material flows are observer
> >defined constructs.  Cities are ecosystems.  There is a whole "new" field
> >called industrial ecology that all Marxian thinkers would do well to look
> >at, I'm sure Marx would have...
>
> Using the term 'ecosystem' in this fashion is consistent with Harvey and
> Cronon's approach. Again, it does not address the fundamental
> contradiction
> addressed by Marx in the 19th century and which has only deepened. The
> creation of cities like NYC, LA and Chicago has created huge
> contradictions
> in the natural balance. Industrial farming with its chemical fertilizers,
> insecticides and pesticides is creating a major health crisis, including
> the following:
>
> 1) cancer epidemics (see "Living Downstream" by Sandra Steingraber)
> 2) death of marine life due to phosphate runoff from midwest
> farms into the
> Mississippi
> 3) unhealthy food due to conditions necessary for industrial farming (mad
> cow, ecoli bacteria, etc.)
> 4) pollution of rivers and lakes by poultry and pork agribusinesses
> 5) exhaustion of soil, and crop susceptibility to disease
> 6) extinction of animal and plantlife because of unsustainable farming
> practices
> 7) desertification because of both the way soil is used and diversion of
> rivers for wasteful irrigation
> 8) etc.
>
> Now you can call cities Chicago "ecosystems" just as long as it is
> understood that we are committing suicide as a species while the
> contradiction between city and countryside is maintained. The problem is
> that these issues are not addressed by Cronon and Harvey, which I find
> astonishing for people who claim to have read Marx.
>
>
>
>
> Louis Proyect
> (http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html)
>



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