aka Dorman:

Even the Frakfurt School's criticism of  pragmatism seems wanting 
after Rorty, so I am not going to take issue with your own (pragmatic) 
approach to ethics - even if I still think that Kant's ethical philosophy 
was a theoretical breakthrough. Only want to remind you that Jeffrey 
Reiman uses the Kantian notion of a universal moral law to defend the 
traditional Marxist interpretation of exploitation - that expoitation 
occurs during production through the *forced* extraction of surplus 
labor - against the Roemerian definition which says that exploitation 
is a result of an unjust distribution of assets. Reiman calls his theory 
the 'labor theory of moral value'. 



> Again, I don't care much what Kant's motives were, as long as the concepts he
> left me can be useful for *my* purposes.  In the case of what I called the
> "nonexploitation principle", it is empirically verified in the risk perception
> literature, at least within those communities that have been sampled.  I found
> lots of support for it in my reading of labor history wrt dangerous work.
> While I have made a few arguments in its behalf, I am not so naive as to think
> that it represents an exclusive, unassailable ethical position.  It's just a
> value to place alongside other values.  Whether it will continue to guide
> human behavior in the future or whether it is applicable to the great variety
> of non-western cultures across the globe -- well, I don't know.  These things
> will require more study, I would imagine.
> 
> Peter (aka Dorman)
> 
> Ricardo Duchesne wrote:
> 
> > > So in the case of Kant, I find it useful in my own work to bring in
> > > concepts of Kantian moral reasoning.  I've looked at them and checked to
> > > see if there is hidden baggage, but I haven't found any.  Like many
> > > others on this list, I suspect, I was drawn to Kant because philosophers
> > > use his perspective as a pole of opposition to utilitarianism -- and the
> > > critique of economic utilitarianism is an important part of the critique
> > > of neoclassical economics generally.
> >
> > Dorman,
> >
> > Recall that Kant sought to find a moral law based on reason and
> > reason alone, as the only way one could formulate a universal
> > criterion of moral value. He argue against Hume that an
> > empirical study of morality, of the customs and values of different
> > cultures, would forever remained trapped within  the relativity of
> > such values. But Hegel was correct that Kant only gave
> > us the *form* of this law - as if such a law arose strictly out
> > of the genius of Kant's mind,  rather than being an expression of the
> > self-knowledge that the human community had come to achieve at that
> > time.
> > -
> 
> 



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